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    I am looking for help for my 6 yr. old son. He is not having this problem right at the moment, but I expect it will happen again, and am hoping that with homeopathy we can make it so it won't happen!

    7 months ago, and also 6 months before that he has been awakened by pain in the early morning, around 6 am. His left knee, greatly swollen, his leg stiff and immobile. The knee feels full of fluid but it is not red or warm at all. The most recent time he just laid flat on the floor, and screamed with the slightest movement. It was very scary for his dad and I. It was much more severe than the first time it happened.(which I can describe if you need me to). We took him to the e/r, they did blood work and x-rays. No sign of injury, also they were testing for juvenile rheumatoid arthritis. The blood test were negative for rheumatoid factor, negative for ANA. They gave him the diagnosis of JRA anyway. By the next morning the swelling was gone.

    Physical description: my son has fair hair, blonde turning to brown,large green eyes with extremely long lashes. He is tall and thin with knobby knees. He has very large tonsils.

    He loves to be naked, is naked as often as possible, and sleeps naked. He says he likes to sleep in a cold bed in a cold room. He has plenty of blankets on though. He sometimes grinds his teeth in his sleep, and drools on his pillow.

    He has a friendly,open personality. Smart with a good sense of humor. He enjoys making people laugh and cheering up little kids with funny dances and physical comedy. He is active, likes swimming, climbing trees, playing outside. He also likes building with blocks and legos and builds amazing intricate structures. He likes to play games on the computer. He also seems to spend a lot of time thinking about life and the world, and he shares those thoughts with me.

    His health has been quite good in the past few years. As a baby he got lots of colds, but doesnt really get them anymore. Is not prone to getting stomach flus or digestive upsets like my daughter is. He has had the chicken pox. Just this darn knee thing.

    This is running long, but if you need more information I would be pleased to provide it.
    Thank you,

    [This message has been edited by mer (edited 23 February 2001).]

  • #2
    I will try to fully describe what happened both times with his knee swelling. The first time was much less dramatic than the second. He woke in the morning and said his leg really hurt, his thigh. By mid-day the left knee was swollen and seemed full of fluid. He was mobile, just kind of limped and hopped around, but was playing, even playing outdoors with his friends. This lasted a few days and on the third day I took him to the dr. who ordered x-rays and blood tests and checked him out. He basically said he had no idea what it was. Called it spontaneous synovitis of the knee.

    I went to the health food store, got some arnica gel and put it on his knee, within an hour the swelling was gone.

    The only thing at the time that I could come up with was that he had started an Aikido class where he had to kneel and stand, kneel and stand an awful lot.

    The second time, six months later he woke screaming in pain, his knee swollen. I got the arnica gel right away and put that on, but no results, I gave him arnica internally also. He laid down on the floor not moving and would periodically scream from pain. The pain was in his thigh pretty much I think. Again the knee was very swollen, seemed full of fluid but it was not red at all and not hot. Both feet were ice cold.

    We took him to the emergency room where they did bloodwork and x-rays. They also gave him a shot of morphine! They said even though the bloodwork was negative, they thought he had JRA, they sent us home. We bandaged the knee, and treated it with cold, and more arnica gel. By morning the swelling was down. He was on crutches and wore a knee brace for a few days, but after the first day or so he didnt really need the crutches, in fact it was hard to keep him from running around.

    To answer your other questions, he doesnt have spots on his nails. He feels ambivalent about eggs and milk, no strong feelings about either one. He never asks for them, but will drink milk on occasion and has been known to eat an egg or two. He has had most of his vaccinations. As a baby he would usually react to them with crying and a fever. He has had antibiotics once. I believe when he was four years old.

    Another general thing about him that I wanted to write down, he sneezes when he goes out into the sun. Ever since he was born this has been true. And his sneeze is just like mine, multiple sneezes in a row.

    I keep thinking of more things to say about him, but I guess I can just wait and see if there are more questions.



    • #3
      Originally posted by Anna Bryant:
      the photo, in particular the eyelashes, and the teeth grinding at night, plus the large tonsils all point to a Tubercular constitution underneath. But that won't cover this new layer of which the main symptom of knee swelling.
      I beg to differ. From the Complete Repertory, I found:

      1EXTREMITIES; SWELLING; General; knee:
      1tub., 1thal., 1ter., 1tarent., 2sulph.,
      3sil., 2sep., 2sars., 2sal-ac., 1ruta,
      3rhus-t., 2rhod., 1pyrus, 3puls., 2phyt.,
      1phos., 1ol-j., 2nux-v., 1nit-ac., 2nat-m.,
      1mur-ac., 1morg., 1merc., 1mag-c., 3lyc.,
      3led., 2lach., 2lac-c., 1lac-ac., 1kreos.,
      1kali-sil., 1kali-s., 2kali-i., 2kali-c.,
      1kali-ar., 2iod., 1hip-ac., 3hep., 2fl-ac.,
      1ferr-ar., 1ferr., 1elat., 2cop., 1con.,
      2colch., 2cocc., 1coc-c., 2clem., 2cic.,
      2chin., 1cedr., 1caust., 2calc-sil.,
      1calc-s., 2calc-p., 1calc-i., 1calc-f.,
      3calc., 1bufo, 3bry., 3berb., 1benz-ac.,
      1bell., 2bar-m., 1bac., 1aur-m., 1arund.,
      1ars-s-f., 2ars-i., 2ars., 2arn., 2apis,
      2anthr., 1ant-t., 1ant-s., 1ant-c., 1ammc.,
      1agn., 2aesc., 1acon.

      2 EXTREMITIES; SWELLING; General; knee; left:
      1colch., 2cic., 1bac., 2aesc.

      3 EXTREMITIES; SWELLING; General; knee;
      right: 1ven-m., 1ter., 3sulph., 2elat.,
      1chin., 2benz-ac.

      Silica, Tuberculinum, Bacillinum, Nat Mur, The calcs (mixed with silica, phos, etc) the Kalis again with silica, phosphorus, etc) Rhus tox, Phosphorus, Ammonium Carb, the arsenicums, apis, sepia, the lac remedies...these just off the top of my head! All of these tubercular remedies, including tuberculinum, have swelling anywhere in the body, and in particular in the knee.

      That's quite an unsubstantiated bias--look how many good remedies would never be considered because of this kind of thinking!
      ...and deliverance has many faces<br />but grace<br />is an aquaintance of mine


      • #4
        Hello mer
        Gone through your son’s case report
        It seems to be a definite case of jra
        Please go forASO Titre which will confirm
        the diagnosis .the first aspect.
        Secondly on strong mental condition-
        The child wants to be nude ie.shamelessness=Phos
        Sneezing in sunshine= Merc Sulph,………….Phos
        Costitution indicative ……………………...Phos
        Third thing -not incurable but won’t be cure with
        A single you will have to furnish informations
        Stating condition and development
        Next quest.-how he feels –by touch ,pressure,movement,cold warmth
        And in my opinion Phosphorus 1m a singledose willhelp


        • #5
          hello mer
          the strong mental symptom -'the child wants to be nude ' is guiding -Phosphrus
          please give a dose of med. and watch the progress
          go for ASO Titre forJRA


          • #6
            Anna - GM has been banned from this BB - Do you not understand what that means. His participation is no longer welcome!!! Can't you just leave it that way? There has been ALOT of good advice given here on the HomeopathyHome BB of late and most everyone seems content to have it that way. I for one am!


            • #7
              He does have one filling, and I can't remember when he got it, I know it was before the first time his knee became swollen, perhaps about a year before.

              A few months before his knee became swollen, he was bitten by a spider while asleep, and he turned read from his armpit to his hip, hot to the touch. This is what he was given antibiotics for. It suppressed it during the course of antibiotics, it returned right after the antibiotics were through. We went to a homeopathic MD who prescribed...more antibiotics.(which I didn't give) We went to someone else who prescribed belladonna 12x which cleared it up straight away.

              About the fruit, I am not aware of any allergies, we try to buy all organic. When he was littler though, he would get a rash around his mouth from eating melon like cantaloupe.

              About the titre, I am going to get a copy of his medical records and see if he has already had that test, also this will help me get the dates straight of both the knee swelling and the bug bite.

              And with the chicken pox, we didn't use calomine, but we did use an oatmeal based cream and oatmeal baths, also an MD told us to give an antihistamine, which I may have given him once or twice.

              I very much appreciate the attention from all the learned homeopaths here. GM too. I know that he has been banned, and I don't know why but I have seen him give good advice to others and I have no objections.


              • #8
                hello ann
                please refer to Boennighausen's charactristics and repertory compiled by C.M.Boger pageno.1127
                and I will again request please look for the mental which is guiding . nudeness is great symptom which can't be over looked



                • #9
                  I wouldn't doubt if it was from the spider bite. But nudeness is definitely a characteristic of my little guy. He usually dresses only right before we have to go out, and he won't even wear any underwear!

                  From what I have read, phosphorous does seem to fit his personality. And with his big eyes and long lashes that reach his cheekbones when he closes his eyes.

                  I have a question, if it seems that phosphorous matches his mentals and could be his "constitutional" remedy, would it take care of the joint swelling no matter what had caused it? Or do you treat something like this in layers, first with Apis, and with Phos. to follow?


                  • #10
                    What sort of music does he like? Please note this is an open ended question rather than a closed one. You tend not to get helpful answers from leading questions!!
                    RSHom - Registered Homeopath


                    • #11
                      Nope, he is not restless. He has great control over his limbs, never sprawls. He's not cunning either. He's very open, in fact its a good thing he doesnt try to trick anyone because it wouldnt work!

                      About the music...he has a definite preference for music without singing, he likes classical, jazz, and world drumming type music. The only music with singing he likes are a few kids cd's that he has. He told me the reason he doesnt like music with singing is that he likes to dance and the singing doesnt go with his moves.


                      • #12
                        hello ann
                        please refer aggravation & ammel. chapter
                        under heading light. thanks



                        • #13
                          Thank you all so much, I guess I will just save up some money and take him to a local homeopath. Also I will make sure to have some Apis on hand in case of a flare up. Writing to this BB gave me a better idea of how to present a case to someone, and it has been very helpful.

                          I will keep you posted and let you know how things turn out.

                          Thank you,


                          • #14
                            one diciple of hanemann asked why he prescribed chamomilla for warts and why this medicine cured him hahnem. replied treat the pt's. mind the pt. was corresponding the same nudeness is the classic symptom with other associated so ignoring we shall fail
                            with regards