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    I have permission (from the author of the original post) to cross post this to this bulletin Board and I would be especially be grateful for replies to be forward on to the original questioner.

    Please back up any statements you make with appropriate references.

    My "desperate to keep her kids cold free" sister in law very excitedly
    showed me her newest purchase. A "homeopathic??" loly pop called Kids
    Cough.. She is so thrilled because instead of having to describe all
    the intricate details of the cold, the cough, the color of the mucous
    etc.... she can just give my little nephew this lolly, which has PUls,
    Dros, Spongia, Kali Carb, PHos, IPecac and Belladona all rolled in one!
    I am only a student here, but this doesn't seem right to me. HOwever,
    I would like some facts to back my feeling that this isn't homeopathy.
    ANy help would be appreciated.
    [ 02. April 2003, 06:09: Message edited by: Simone ]
    Regards,<br /><b>Simone H</b><br /><br /><i>Aude Sapere</i><br /><br />"Never be a passive listener or learner" ~ Christian Gottfried Hahnemann

  • #2
    Simone, You have returned to this board after travelling long distance. I welcome you at this board.

    This cross posting rules has created so much problem for few members which had the habit of cross posting again and again from this forum to that forum and from that forum to this one.

    I do not take part in other forums or mailing lists so I have no problem with cross posting.

    What is cross posting rule. I am not aware of this new rule. I am observing for few weeks that each member when post on this forum he or she always mentioned that she has the permission of sending this post. I have no idea about cross posting rules.

    Please clarify what is cross posting and where jon has posted the info about this new rule. Is it applicable at HHBB if yes then where this info is written.
    Forum Pk


    • #3
      Few questions has been aroused in my mind about cross postings.

      Please clarify "what is cross posting" and where the info about this new cross posting rule is available at HHBB.

      If a person says "I have permission to cross post this to this bulletin Board" Whether she has intimated the permission email / letter to moderator first before sending this cross post?

      If a member says "I have the permission from its real author to send cross post his/her info at other forum then how can it be verified" For example if I say here, Simone does not has the permission for sending this cross post then how can it be verified?
      Forum Pk


      • #4
        Hi Simone,
        Doesn't that just "cover all the bases"...gag!....


        • #5
          Yeh, it really sucks!


          • #6
            Carole, where do you get that quick wit!??


            • #7
              from Dr. franciso de la Leela from punjab, India.


              • #8

                It is not an April Fool's Joke. These kind of combinations are common OTC preparations which can be bought in Australia.

                Even my own mother turned up with a jet lag combination (for a long haul flight) given to her on "advice" from her GP.

                It is a shame that no-one has bothered to answer the query seriously, as it comes from a student who would like valid arguments to present to her sister-in-law.

                [ 02. April 2003, 06:08: Message edited by: Simone ]
                Regards,<br /><b>Simone H</b><br /><br /><i>Aude Sapere</i><br /><br />"Never be a passive listener or learner" ~ Christian Gottfried Hahnemann


                • #9
                  I would say to Ilana before you try to convince your sister-in-law of anything, you could acquaint yourself with aphorism 165.
                  There is just no point in prescribing homoeopathic medicines based on non-characteristic common symptoms, like nausea, lassitude, headache, cough, congestion. There is no guarantee that you will increase your odds by combining additonal remedies in a complex. Homoeopathy works by symptom similarity based on a small number of characteristic individualizing symptoms in the case.
                  Some people hold the view that if, by luck, the right remedy is amongst all the others that some good will come out of it. There is an inherent danger in this type of thinking. Should the case become complicated with sequalae you are really going to need to access all the information from known remedy relationships to bring the case back on track. Combinations like these make this more difficult to achieve and since we are in the business of attempting to cure quickly, safely and gently then where is the integrity?
                  Why does she desperately want to keep her children cold-free anyway? This doesn't make any sense. A healthy immune response is a godsend, it is not wise to suppress all natural immune function, this only leads to possible deeper pathology later on.

                  These types of acute conditions are self-limiting anyway. I think that's how the companies who sell these type of OTC products get away with their false advertising.


                  • #10
                    The reality is that the successful use of OTC combos has convinced a lot of people to see a real homeopath when they develop something more serious.
                    Shirley Reischman


                    • #11
                      Simone - is this not an April Fool joke?
                      RSHom - Registered Homeopath


                      • #12
                        Thank you for your reply. I have been urging her strongly to see a homeopath and deal with his probs constitutionally, as he is forever coming down with coughs and colds, and I am trying to teach her that quick fixes are not reality. This week he has come back from the dictro, now diagnosed as being asthmatic, so she has him on cotisone and ventolin.
                        I think the lolypop appeal lies in the concept that as soon as he starts being sick, she can whack it in her mouth, and maybe avoid him getting worse. I just didn't think it was correct to combine remedies in one dose, and what of the concept of encasing it in a flavoured lolly. WOuldn't that interfere with the remedy?


                        • #13
                          Hi Ilana,

                          I think you'll find that a large percentage of your homoeopathic practice will be based on cases not unlike the one you have described. Kids with simple allergies and/or postnasal drips, coughs and colds who go on to be diagnosed as "asthmatic" and have ventolin etc prescribed.

                          Many of these cases are dealt with quite simply and effectively with homoeopathics, others are more protracted. One suggestion is to study the miasmatic background in each case. For example, James Kent found that successful homoeopathic treatment of so-called incurable asthma was made possible after he understood the role of anti-sycotic remedies in those particular cases. See the chapter on Nat sulph and sycosis in 'Lectures on Homoeopathic Materia Medica'. I'm not sure that these factors are taken into consideration when "clinical trials" are undertaken to prove or disprove the effectiveness of homoeopathy, however, successful practitioners have a full range of skills to apply in case management according to the nature of each individual case - without resorting to combination remedies.
                          You will also probably find that a number of your phone enquiries are from customers seeking a combination remedy for "such and such" complaint. They don't seek a consultation, just the magic bullets. You just have to give it your best shot to explain to them how homoeopathy really works and why you don't stock lollypops in your pharmacy. I don't feel inclined to be supportive of clever marketing techniques that undermine the integrity of homoeopathic medicine whilst supposedly supporting it.

                          Regarding the matter of flavours cancelling the effect of a remedy: my personal view is... sometimes. I always ask patients not to drink coffee for instance, but they often don't stop anyway and tell me later and it doesn't seem to have made any difference. However, in some particularly coffee sensitive individuals the effects of stopping it are remarkable in themselves.
                          Last Saturday a patient with spinal ligament damage was greatly improving with Rhus tox 200C but the advances were noticeably halted after the patient consumed a packet of chocolate coated licorice. Go figure.

                          Good luck with your studies.

                          [ 03. April 2003, 08:00: Message edited by: chrisg ]


                          • #14

                            Isn't licorice considered an herb? I would think to avoid it as it does have specific actions. Still, if we listed everything a Pt should avoid, they might not end up eating/drinking anything?

                            Ilana: glad you found the posting.

                            [ 03. April 2003, 08:38: Message edited by: Simone ]
                            Regards,<br /><b>Simone H</b><br /><br /><i>Aude Sapere</i><br /><br />"Never be a passive listener or learner" ~ Christian Gottfried Hahnemann


                            • #15
                              Par 125 discusses what to avoid during a proving: Green vegetables, roots and all salads and herb soups...". Par 260 lists what to avoid during chronic treatment - and the list is long.
                              Shirley Reischman