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    Albert, also Hahnemannian444B and and and

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    I want you to understand a few things about the way I am doing this since I will proceed here the only way I know how in essentially impossible cases.

    Thoroughness is the first step I take in these.

    That is what you see immediately below.

    What I want from you as regards this very long posting is for you to look at all of the symptom rubrics and tell me if any of them are relevant.

    If they are not, all the better to isolate which are by eliminating the many others.

    You will be able to do this better than us since you are in actual contact with the person in need and those closest to him.

    Your position here is what we call "attendant to the patient."

    Commonly they are relatives, as here.


    Obtaining a full and accurate recording of the case is a primary function in homeotherapeutics.

    Therefore, please tell us more fully and in detail about the problems mentioned and any possibly existing you have not mentioned, especially or including things considered strange, rare or peculiar and even back a few years.


    Next will come, in another posting, a refinement of it by isolation of the most relevant symptom rubrics.

    Next will come, in still another posting, a hierarchication of the case according to the uncommon symptoms.

    Next will come, in yet a fourth posting, the cross referencing or repertorization (as opposed to this so-called "full" or "formal repertorization").

    And, assuming I do not change this procedure with cases way beyond my usual attempts, I will quote materia medica passages in attempt to identify what is called homeopathicity or similitude between the case symptoms and the pathogenic symptoms of medicines in the materia medica.

    This last step will be problematic for me here because Hering's GUIDING SYMPTOMS is presently only available to members, and that will require I type them in here, which I will not want to do due to the amount of time likely already consumed at that stage.

    But here goes.

    My grandfather, 91, has been diagnosed with [1.] lymphoma and has very little time left. He is [2.] extremely weak and kind of [3.] fades in and out mentally; sometimes he is more coherent than others. In addition, he seems to be having some [3, same thing] hallucinations; he sees things that are not there, but he's aware that other people do not see these things also. My aunt and uncle, who are caring for him, seem to feel that this is a psychiatric condition while I feel that it's probably normal for someone is such a condition. He has a [4.] history of seizures, periods where his brain did not function properly, so he already has a susceptibility there. Any thoughts?
    1. Lymphoma (the specific rubrics not yet found, assuming they exist in Kent's REPERTORY) (

    GENERALITIES, Cancerous affections : Acet-ac., alum., alumn., ambr., apis., ars-i., Ars., aster., aur-m., aur., bism., Brom., bufo., cadm., calc-s., calc., carb-ac., Carb-an., carb-s., carb-v., caust., cist., clem., Con., cupr., dulc., graph., hep., hydr., kali-ar., kali-bi., kali-s., kreos., lach., lap-a., Lyc., merc-i-f., merc., nat-m., Nit-ac., ph-ac., Phos., Phyt., sep., Sil., sul-ac., sulph., thuj., zinc.

    ----- encephaloma : Acet-ac., ars-i., ars., calc., carb-ac., carb-an., caust., kali-i., kreos., lach., nit-ac., Phos., sil., sulph., thuj.

    ----- epithelioma : Acet-ac., arg-m., arg-n., Ars-i., ars., aur., bell., brom., calc-p., calc., clem., Con., hydr., kali-s., kreos., Lyc., merc., phos., phyt., ran-b., sep., sil., sulph., thuj.

    ----- fungus hæmatodes : Ant-t., Ars., bell., calc., Carb-an., carb-v., clem., kreos., Lach., lyc., merc., nat-m., nit-ac., Phos., puls., sep., Sil., staph., sulph., Thuj.

    ----- glands : Aur-m., Carb-an., Con.

    ----- lupus : Agar., alum., alumn., ant-c., arg-n., ars-i., Ars., aur-m., bar-c., calc., carb-ac., carb-s., carb-v., caust., cist., graph., hep., hydrc., kali-ar., kali-bi., kali-c., kali-chl., kali-s., kreos., lach., Lyc., nit-ac., phyt., psor., sep., sil., spong., staph., sulph., Thuj.

    ----- in rings : Sep.

    ----- melanotic : Arg-n., card-m., lach., ph-ac.

    ----- noma : Alum., alumn., ars., calc., carb-v., con., elat., kali-p., merc., sil., sulph.

    ----- scirrhus : Alumn., arg-m., ars., aster., calc-s., Carb-an., carb-s., carb-v., Con., graph., hydr., lap-a., phos., phyt., sep., Sil., staph., sulph.

    GENERALITIES, Tumors, cystic (See Exostoses, Polypus) : Agar., apis., Bar-c., brom., calc-s., calc., Graph., hep., nit-ac., sil., sulph.

    atheroma : Bar-c.

    cheloid : Sil.

    erectile : Lyc., nit-ac., phos., staph.

    fibroid : Calc-f., calc-s., calc., con., Phos., Sil.

    neuroma : Calc., staph.

    sarcoma : Bar-c., calc-f.

    steatoma, suppurating : Calc., carb-v.

    reappearing every 4 weeks : Calc.
    GENERALITIES, Exostoses: Arg-m., Aur-m., Aur., Calc-f., calc., crot-c., dulc., fl-ac., hecla., kali-i., merc-c., mez., nit-ac., Phos., puls., rhus-t., ruta., Sil., sulph.

    GENERALITIES, Polypus : Ambr., ant-c., aur., bell., Calc-p., calc-s., Calc., carb-an., caust., Con., graph., hep., lyc., merc., mez., nat-m., nit-ac., petr., ph-ac., Phos., puls., sang., sep., sil., Staph., sul-ac., sulph., Teucr., thuj.
    Only the first symptom rubric is really relevant here, but I have found it helpful to include them all for consideration since cancers are a general class of diseases, and including them in an initial consideration does not mean they will be part of the formal repertorization.


    2. Extreme Weakness

    (Kent's REPERTORY on Weakness in the elderly)

    GENERALITIES, Weakness [in] old people : Ambr., aur., Bar-c., con., cur., nux-m., op., phos., sec., sel., sul-ac.

    (Kent's REPERTORY on Weakness)

    (Kent's REPERTORY on Weariness)


    You said he's weakened. Is he emaciated? ( Kent's REPERTORY on Emaciation in the elderly
    GENERALITIES, Emaciation [in] old people : Ambr., Bar-c., Iod., Lyc., sec., sel.

    3. Fades in and out mentally

    (Kent's REPERTORY on Clairvoyance)

    MIND, CLAIRVOYANCE : Acon., anac., arn., calc., cann-i., crot-c., hyos., lach., lyss., med., nux-m., op., phos., pyrus., sil., stann., stram., tarent.
    (Kent's REPERTORY on Seeing Absent Persons (Delusions))

    [quote]MIND, Delusions, Dead persons, sees : Agar., alum., am-c., anac., arg-n., arn., ars-i., ars., bar-c., bell., brom., bry., calc., canth., caust., cocc., con., fl-ac., graph., hep., hura., hyos., iod., kali-ar., kali-br., kali-c., kali-p., lach., laur., mag-c., mag-m., nat-c., nat-m., nat-p., nit-ac., nux-v., op., ph-ac., phos., plat., plb., ran-s., sars., sil., stry., sul-ac., sulph., thuj., verb., zinc.

    ----- morning on waking, frightened by images of : Hep.

    ----- midnight, on waking : Cann-i.

    There are a great many rubrics for this, and I will post them when I have the time to search them out since I have not yet bothered to annotate the various cross references here.


    4. Seizures in the past

    Rather than me posting them, see pp. 1351- here Kent's REPERTORY at Convulsions


    Does he have this:
    (Kent's REPERTORY on Involuntary Urination in the elderly)

    BLADDER, Urination, Involuntary, old people, in: All-c., aloe., apis., ars., aur-m., cann-s., cic., gels., iod., kali-p., phos., sec., thuj.

    ----- men with enlarged prostate : All-s., aloe., cic., dig., iod., kali-p., nux-v., pareir., sec., thuj.


    Does he have this, or has he ever? If so, how long ago?

    (Kent's REPERTORY on Constriction of the esophagus in the elderly)

    THROAT, SPASMS, spasmodic constriction, convulsions, etc., Esophagus, old people can only swallow liquids : Bar-c.
    [ 28. October 2003, 06:27: Message edited by: Hahnemannian444 ]
    Albert, also Hahnemannian444B and and and


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      Albert, also Hahnemannian444B and and and


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        Hi Tomi, I know exactly what you're describing and have had heard many many similar stories about this phenomena. One elderly relation in particular periodically has visitations from folk "on the other side". Sometimes these folks are deceased relatives, and interestingly, in her visions they are described as youthful looking and with a radiance about them - much more good looking in fact than they actually were when 'alive and well'. Other times the vistors are unknown to her, just people who are passing through...One even had the hide to pick up her prayer missal on the bedside table, leaf through the pages, before she was told to mind her own business and please leave!!!

        To me, this fading in and out as you described is a very natural part of the transition from this state of consciousness to the next dimension. It is not anything to be afraid of, nor is it necessarily a symptom of low arterial flow to the brain. I mean, it could be enhanced by that, but I feel if elderley people are kept off as many tranquilizing drugs as is possible, this natural transition can be explored in the state of consciousness too.

        Sometimes if we are good at remembering our dream material, we can see that we 'test the water' in our dreamstate prior to forthcoming events. We may experience it as deja vu, but there is actually nothing very extraordinary about this either, it is a totally natural occurence.

        Unfortunately, because we tend to be so externally focussed we tend to ignore, dismiss or are frightened by such near death experiences due to religious superstition, and fear of damnation, punishment etc. The content of the 'hallucinations' is not so important as the realization that the person is merely in the process of transition. And from all accounts, the 'other side of here' is pretty good.


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          [ 26. October 2003, 01:52: Message edited by: Hahnemannian444 ]
          Albert, also Hahnemannian444B
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            Albert, also Hahnemannian444B
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            • #7
              I'm going to disagree with you Chris.

              I fully understand what you say but hold, per reliable arcane authorities, that it is not natural for such clairvoyant experiences to happen to people who are not clairvoyant.

              These are often drug-induced states, in fact.

              That doesn't mean they are unreal, but it means that there is significant disturbance in the brains of such people by allopathic drugs to dissociate them from waking consciousness.

              Such phenomena are identical to hypnosis, blank-thought meditation, out-of-body experiences and other very unnatural and dangerous alpha-wave brain states appropriate only in the twilight phase of sleep that lasts from 20-50 seconds during which we phase from waking consciousness to sleep.

              Indeed, people should be fully cognizant of what is happening to them when they die or they will become lost when they die and wonder around in their familiar environment as ghosts until lifted out of that unnatural situation by Masters in our Human Life Wave.

              I hold that you are quite wrong, but I also understand why you say such things since mysticism is a natural propensity for right-brain dominant people who naturally adhere to and congregate with like-minded people in the Vithoulkas school of thought.

              But these views are wrong for the foregoing and other unstated reasons.

              Put succinctly, this person needs to be made integral, not encouraged to become a lost ghost.

              Moreover, I get the impression from the presentation of the case that Tomi C. will not hold with anything about heaven or higher planes of existence, for there are several references to brain episodes and the thread is referring to hallucinations.

              This suggests a rather practical and pragmatic personality naturally disinclined to mystical concepts and beliefs.

              Therefore, I feel that we will NOT be able to help this person if our approach to it is diametrically opposite of theirs, and this will likely only serve to drive them away from our aid into allopathic hands who'll speed along this disintegration of consciousness and expidite a gruesome and premature death.

              I am totally opposed to that happening to anyone, so I counter what you have said with this.

              Let us talk about it if you want, but I want to primarily proceed with this case analysis so as to possibly help these people in need.

              [ 26. October 2003, 02:17: Message edited by: Hahnemannian444 ]
              Albert, also Hahnemannian444B
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              • #8
                Albert, I'm going to have to agree with Chris because I've seen this phenomenon happen with many people who are quite old and near death, and in particular in at least 2 people who were very close to dying.

                My father in law was extremely ill for 3 months before he died--he had cancer of the liver and submitted to one chemotherapy treatment--from which he never recovered. He basically began vomiting about an hour after that treatment, and did not stop until he died. My husband and I took turns, along with my mother in law, staying with him "in shifts"--we'd each spend 8 hours with him every day during that time he was in the hospital, as he was terrified to be alone while he was in there. (He would have done very well on Phosphorus, but I had no idea about it at the time).

                He continued to lose weight and hair over those 3 months, but he was usually quite lucid unless he had been given some inordinate drug which made him remember things incorrectly or made him feel a little more frightened than usual. When he had wasted away to quite a degree, his lung collapsed and we knew he would begin to deteriorate more quickly.

                3 days before he actually died, he began to have what sounded like a conversation with his mother--a woman who had been dead for several years by that time. As he became less lucid, he would call out to her. I learned from many nurses that often men do see their mothers in this state just before they die. When the "conversation" with his mother turned from one where he sounded quite scared to one where he sounded quite comfortable, he fell silent and basically slept for the next couple of days--we didn't say anything else to each other again. I knew he was mentally already "dead", and physically, he would just stop breathing altogether. The nurses had told me that he would go at any time.

                I also lost a very close friend to cancer not too long ago, and I was with her early in the afternoon on the day she passed away, too. One of her favourite foods in the world was really good homemade pasta, so I made sure to bring her a dish of it from a very good restaurant across the street from the hospice. She ate a little bit of it, looked up at me and said: "speaking of mothers, isn't it interesting that I can see all the mothers together?" I knew she wasn't really lucid at that point, just describing the women she was seeing in front of her, in her hallucination. She smiled and was extremely happy and comforted. She told me she was thrilled to see "the mothers" waiting for her.

                Of course, mothers mean birth, right? It's odd but somehow fitting that this reunion between mother and child, on whatever level of reality it is, takes place just as people experience the "end" of their life...and greet their mothers if to begin it anew.

                On another note, a friend described the passing of her father in law and how he hallucinated about being in a nasty trench in the second world war. He was terrified and hallucinated that he was once again being attacked. Immediately, she rallied her children and husband around him and they literally talked him out of the trenches he thought he was in...they got him to focus on the fact that all of his family were around him and they loved him. She told me she just couldn't allow him to die in the terror he was remembering, and just wanted him to go knowing that he was surrounded by people he cared a great deal for. They managed to get him to be calm again and to feel like he was surrounded by his family--but the hallucination was very, very real for him.

                So I'm not sure clairvoyance has anything to do with it at all. I think people are capable of accessing some experience we can't really comprehend; and its probably not hallucination so much as some kind of communication, or perhaps some kind of memory. I don't want to start a big argument about this and what it could be, but I do want to say that these "hallucinations" are extremely commonplace in the situation you're describing, Tomi. It seems like these people are able to talk to both you, who are present and alive, and those meaningful people who have already passed away. The divisor between what is concrete or real (you, in their hospital room) is a lot less material all of a sudden; or maybe its the divisor between what is history and what is present that actually dissolves. Whatever, its as if approaching death allows people to experience this.
                Who looks outside, dreams; who looks inside, awakes.<br />C.G.Jung


                • #9

                  This disagreement is perfectly understandable, and I am fully aware of such views from having held them myself for nearly two decades due to my near-death experience over 30 years ago, but not here and not now.

                  Your mentioning of Phosphorus is what I find striking.

                  If we cut to the quick for the time being and later come back to repertorizations and such, does this case strike you as needing Phosphorus?

                  That supposition, which I do not like to entertain, has a significant amount of my attention as a likely cognate group of drugs if not the actual needed one.

                  That you mentioned it causes me to ask what your quick take on this case is from materia medica knowledge.

                  [ 26. October 2003, 03:28: Message edited by: Hahnemannian444 ]
                  Albert, also Hahnemannian444B
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                  • #10
                    Albert, at the time when this was happening I knew absolutely nothing about homeopathy.

                    But I was learning about how dangerous conventional medicine is for patients with any disease...and also its "pull" on patients.

                    So it was not at the time when I realised this remedy would have done him some good--but long afterwards, when I decided to learn about homeopathy.

                    My father in law had a great deal of the pathology which tends to arise in phos patients--as well as the fears. He suffered from lung ailments throughout his life (lots of pneumonia as a kid, later a collapsed lung, which later manifested cancer after he suffered a traumatic car accident in which he broke many bones and lost a 2 fingers on his left hand..and then that was treated with radiation, suppressed, to return as the liver cancer which finally killed him). He also had an ulcer, type II diabetes, and of course, the liver pathology. When he was in the hospital all his symptoms were ameliorated by massage/touch--no matter what sx. they were; and, our constant vigils were our way of making him feel secure that he was not alone in that room--being alone there would have frightened him and depressed him terribly. Sleep was absolutely necessary, which is sad, because he couldn't sleep much after that chemo treatment. Its another reason why I believe his pathology progressed so quickly--he was never able to sleep well again. Towards the end of his life all he watned to eat was ice cream; and the ice cream actually ameliorated things for him as well as that could be accomplished. He also had the physical appearance--he was tall and lean, with a thin chest width, very pale skin, and was extremely sympathetic by nature. He loved to be with people, never wanted to fight with them or argue with them (and he could never stay angry at anyone, either).

                    It would have been an excellent constitutional remedy for him, I think, but this is of course just based on observation and memory about him. But he certainly came to mind when I was learning about that remedy in school. I know this isn't the answer you're looking for, but that's my take on the case...long after taking the case was a possiblity.
                    Who looks outside, dreams; who looks inside, awakes.<br />C.G.Jung


                    • #11
                      This question does not pertain to homeopathy but I'd like to get opinions from the people here. My grandfather, 91, has been diagnosed with lymphoma and has very little time left. He is extremely weak and kind of fades in and out mentally; sometimes he is more coherent than others. In addition, he seems to be having some hallucinations; he sees things that are not there, but he's aware that other people do not see these things also. My aunt and uncle, who are caring for him, seem to feel that this is a psychiatric condition while I feel that it's probably normal for someone is such a condition. He has a history of seizures, periods where his brain did not function properly, so he already has a susceptibility there. Any thoughts?


                      • #12
                        Oops, Albert, did you mean Tomi's case?

                        There's definitely not enough information here for me to even start thinking about a remedy.
                        The Phos. I was talking about was for my father in law...and, as I said, it seemed suited for him as a constitutional remedy as well as at the time he was ill before his death.

                        Certainly, phosphorus is a remedy I would consider among the "group" which could be considered for use in treating cancer...if it fits the case, of course. It could fit what Tomi describes is happening in her relative's situation too--but without even seeing this person or observing first-hand what is happening, prescribing would not be appropriate.

                        [ 26. October 2003, 14:10: Message edited by: ChaChaHeels ]
                        Who looks outside, dreams; who looks inside, awakes.<br />C.G.Jung


                        • #13
                          Dear Cha-Cha,

                          I sent you a thank you note, let me know if you don't receive it.



                          • #14
                            Does this mean that some remedies are more cancer specific than others.

                            For example, if a cancer patient's symtpoms indicate remedy xxx and to lesser degree e.g. Phosphorus, would it be better to go with Phos instead of xxx for the cure or remedy selection is absolutely indpendent of disease.

                            And regarding dosing for a cancer patient, are there some guidelines e.g. for stage-1&2 patients its better to have low potencies but for stage-3&4 higher potencies or something like that.
                            Don't take life too seriously, it aint permanent.


                            • #15

                              True, and I'm impressed, for it is so easy to think in terms of medicines when people BEGIN to relate their complaints.

                              I certainly do mean to get this woman to tell us more, because it seems evident from the presentation she gave us that she knows little or nothing about homeopathy.

                              Hence, by posting rubrics, I mean to show her the kinds of details we seek out in symptoms so as to pin point down the one medicine able to truly cure a given case.

                              I will proceed with that for a couple more hours.

                              Perhaps I should have asked if the Phosphorus-essence notions cause you to think along those lines.

                              You essentially agreed and with appropriate qualifications too.

                              My suggestion about Phosphorus and its cognates shows how difficult it is to get remedy-essence ideas out of one's head, but I try.
                              Albert, also Hahnemannian444B
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