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    While browsing through various homeo forums, i came across a very interesting article on alcoholism - ledum palustre for whiskey addiction, and family abuse while under alcohol.

    one of my family has this problem - so i went further into ledum palustre, read it from kent, back to the forums and have decided together with the patient to try it out.

    point is, which potency does one use for this?

    any ideas?

    thanks

    marie

  • #2
    Originally posted by marie
    While browsing through various homeo forums, i came across a very interesting article on alcoholism - ledum palustre for whiskey addiction, and family abuse while under alcohol.

    one of my family has this problem - so i went further into ledum palustre, read it from kent, back to the forums and have decided together with the patient to try it out.

    point is, which potency does one use for this?

    any ideas?

    thanks

    marie
    Hello Marie,
    In the past I have made many posts on this forum (and another 'un-named' forum!) regarding homeopathic remedies for alcoholism as a member of my family suffers from it also. I would be very interested to know what article you are referring to?
    Regards,
    Fiona
    Two roads diverged in a wood, and I -
    I took the one less travelled by,
    and that has made all the difference.
    (Robert Frost 1874 – 1963)

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    • #3
      Originally posted by Braveheart
      Hello Marie,
      In the past I have made many posts on this forum (and another 'un-named' forum!) regarding homeopathic remedies for alcoholism as a member of my family suffers from it also. I would be very interested to know what article you are referring to?
      Regards,
      Fiona
      I forgot to add that I have identified the following remedies as being helpful in cases of alcoholism:
      Avena Sativa
      Asarum Europum
      Angelica Archangelica
      Sterculia
      Strophanthus
      Quercus Glandium Spiritus
      There are probably more but these are the primary ones.
      Anyway, good luck with your search and I will be interested to know how it goes.
      Two roads diverged in a wood, and I -
      I took the one less travelled by,
      and that has made all the difference.
      (Robert Frost 1874 – 1963)

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      • #4
        I wanted to add this: ledum p (but probably other types of alcohol too) does mention family abuse - i have found him to be extremely quarrelsome and nasty, picking on the kids and oversensitive to noise.
        But this picture can be quickly corrected (within 24 hours anyway) with Lachesis 9CH, 10 granules just once and the effect will last several days even on heavy bingeing.

        Moreover, as anyone involved in this kind of thing knows, the throat muscles get lax, so there problems of choking when they swallow food - they go blue in the face but seem to lack the expelling power - lachesis will sort this out too.

        marie

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        • #5
          I wanted to add this: ledum p (but probably other types of alcohol too) does mention family abuse - i have found him to be extremely quarrelsome and nasty, picking on the kids and oversensitive to noise.
          But this picture can be quickly corrected (within 24 hours anyway) with Lachesis 9CH, 10 granules just once and the effect will last several days even on heavy bingeing.

          Moreover, as anyone involved in this kind of thing knows, the throat muscles get lax, so there problems of choking when they swallow food - they go blue in the face but seem to lack the expelling power - lachesis will sort this out too.

          marie

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          • #6
            and works very fast on the throat muscles (lachesis) - i have already given it to him while preparing supper because you could see trouble ahead (already very drunk) and by the time he sat down, he managed to eat and swallow without any problem.

            Good one to know, that.

            marie

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            • #7
              Fiona,
              can't recall because i am a student homeopathy and i spend literally hours going from thing to another not specifically for alcohol but for anything interesting... but then you come across threads on one or the other thing and i cut and paste just the context so as not to forget.

              but either way you could initiate a request on google for alcohol+remedies.

              i have had time to check out the mm for ledum palustre and it could have been written for the person i am thinking of... but still don't know which potency?! probably start with a 30C and work my way up if the picture still fits.

              What I found helped on the cravings were obviously regular meal schedules and although they do say "never any alcohol again from day 1", i have found this to be unrealistic if you are trying to do it from home - and getting them to hospital is no mean deal because of the time of persuasion it takes - either way alcoholism is chronic we all know that, so i don't believe in the hospital miracle cures even if it did once only bring a 3 year relief.
              So if they don't have a minimum per day, it won't work because they just out and buy it themselves!
              What helped enormously was China Off MT 30-40 drops 2-3 times a day! I know, MT is alcohol too, and it may well bring happiness to our alcoholics because of the alcohol content, but then, they can hardly booze on 4 drops!
              Careful though - the MT is very strong stuff, and they realize that, the first time i did that, i was stupid enough to leave the (only 30ml, thank goodness!) bottle next to him, and it was gone in a flash! Well I never made that mistake again, but either way, his craving had gone and the reaction was better than on whisky or beer! (more expensive though!) he!he!

              Braveheart: Thanks for the remedies - i had a problem with strophantus though - he got severe stroke just three days after taking it twice a day - the homeo had given him that, and he complained of severe headache, by the end of day 3, he said it was unbearable, and during the nite there was severe stroke which the homeo got him out of with aconite and arnica - by the time we got him to the brain scan, there was nothing showing up any more. strophantus or not? probably never know, but i don't feel easy with it.

              also there are remedies which make it taste awful - he agreed, it was disgusting, but he was still drinking it - in fact it made everything taste awful including the food - not very helpful.

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              • #8
                I have cured 3 cases of Alcoholism guiding by the symptom “Delusion puffy he is” by Ledum pal. I used 30 and then 200 for all three. But it takes more than 6 month to cure, and sensual advice and co-operation of the family and the patient is very important.

                Thanks and regards

                Dhiman

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                • #9
                  Ledum and alcoholism

                  Dear Marie,

                  If you click on the ‘members list’ (mine being Braveheart) or the search icon for ‘alcoholism’ you can then track all the posts that have been made. You will discover that there are approximately 140 that refer to the disease on this forum.

                  I have to say that through years of witnessing alcoholic behaviour (including doing volunteer work at de-tox centres and rehab's, an alcoholic uncle and a brother-in-law who both suicided plus a brother who very nearly succeeded recently), I have never come across an alcoholic whose throat went so lax that they couldn't eat (boy, they can sure 'un-lax' it to vomit though!) so I thank you increasing my knowledge base. Perhaps they hid it really well or maybe I just thought that because they chose alcohol over food then that was why they didn't eat not realising that perhaps they couldn't actually swallow.

                  P.S. sorry for the above joke re: 'un-lax' but in life, one must always remember to laugh.
                  Example: My first husband was an alcoholic and one night he came home so drunk that he was on his knees bending over the toilet vomiting his head off and feeling as though he was gonna die. As I was walking past the toilet, he must have heard my footsteps and he yelled out to me "Fiona, call me an ambulance, call me an ambulance", so I calmly walked in, lifted his head up and said to him "You're an ambulance, you're an ambulance" and walked away laughing myself silly. Dumb and sad I know, but it surely made me feel better!
                  Two roads diverged in a wood, and I -
                  I took the one less travelled by,
                  and that has made all the difference.
                  (Robert Frost 1874 – 1963)

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                  • #10
                    Hi Marie
                    I have treated patients keen to break alcohol addiction successfully (mostly) with indicated constitututional remedies determined to a large extent by 1) what emotions the person is drinking to eliminate or produce and 2) what kind of person they turn into when drinking. I have found the most frequently needed remedies to be Carcinosin, Nux-v in men and Nat-m in women. I have never actually had cause to use any of the "specifics" listed in posts above. I use Aveena Sativa herbal tincture and rescue remedy as supports during withdrawal. (I agree with what you say above about a few drops of alcohol not being a problem.)

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                    • #11
                      reply to marie

                      dear marie sorry to hear of your problem,(yes i also had an x that was this monster alcoholic besides a junkie)....never mind that.
                      I am a homeopath and sometimes use herbs for ailments ,i found that the Kudzu vine that growns in japan and tennesee usa deals with this problem verry well.
                      Go to google search; kudzu vine info.
                      Dont think it will grow in belgium it is way too cold there,I'm having a hard time growing it here........good luck

                      Gina Tyler

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                      • #12
                        Dhiman,
                        I am interested in your experience - i have nothing to lose on this, plus it is the kind of thing i want to deal with once i become a fully fledged homeopath, so it is twice as interesting.
                        will you share your experience with me?
                        i gave him ledum p tonite 30CH. you say it takes 6 months.... how do you do it?
                        this patient is getting all the psycho support he can get from me (except when he is bingeing because then he gets really unpleasant).
                        He is also in with a shrink who is a really good friend of his by now, but no good at getting him off the booze, in fact he is really hopeless at that! but he gives him good psycho support.
                        After having given him 30CH tonite, what is the next step, and the following ones over 6 months?
                        would sure appreciate your help for someone who is very close to me.
                        marie

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                        • #13
                          gina,
                          thanks for your moral support. i have to say i really appreciate being able to talk and get feedback from all of you, it is wonderful to get some support - been in this one on my own for too long - that is what has made me swear to become a specialist in this field!
                          marie

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                          • #14
                            Braveheart,
                            I am sure it was because they chose the alcohol over the grub!
                            I definitely will go and read your 140 posts - the more you read, the more you learn, isn't that so?
                            thanks for the posts.
                            marie

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                            • #15
                              MCT1,
                              thank you for sharing.
                              this one has been diagnosed by several qualified homeos as nux. ok, he probably was, but i am not sure he still is, like nux is no longer working.. he went up to 1M, it was not concluding. we were getting better results on 30c as long as it worked, but it no longer is to my mind. 5c is definitely more efficient on small things nowadays like stopping him from waking up at 4 in the morning, but the rest no longer seems to work!
                              which brings me around to the following point: they say that in weakened economies, you have to work with low potencies like 5C... i suppose chronic alcoholics are weakened economy (although this one is full of beans and stupid ideas), but i know the liver results are almost off limits, he is right on the tightrope, would that be the reason the nux 1M is less efficient than the 5C?

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