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    Does anybody have any reliable info on the diagnostics of this disease?

    Or does anybody have any experience with this. i'm thinking of fl-ac and calc-fl but I don't have enough to go on.

    W.

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    Weit Van Helmond:
    Does anybody have any reliable info on the diagnostics of this disease?

    Or does anybody have any experience with this. i'm thinking of fl-ac and calc-fl but I don't have enough to go on.
    HEre is a link with a little info.
    http://www.jivemagazine.com/column.php?pid=1658

    No experience with this, but I would think that the indicated similimum based on the acute or chronic symptom picture would help get rid of this toxicity and its symptoms.
    dr. leela
    http://www.homeopathy2health.com

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    • #3
      Re: Re: teflon fever

      thnx, this is helpful cause now I have some fluoride names that cause this
      fever.

      W
      Last edited by jonh; 8th October 2004, 03:44 PM.

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      • #4
        thnx, this is helpful cause now I have some fluoride names that cause this
        fever.

        W

        Hey thats right!!
        From the link:
        http://www.jivemagazine.com/column.php?pid=1658

        "Workers at the DuPont manufacturing plant in West Virginia are forced to use respirators by OSHA when working with these substances. Research has also pointed out that smokers are even more susceptible to Teflon Flu, because microparticles, which land on their hands, wind up imbedded in the cigarettes. As a cigarette is smoked, fluorocarbons are then pyrolyzed (burned), and the toxic fumes are inhaled with the cigarette smoke. The most common known products of this pyrolysis include inorganic fluoride, hydrogen fluoride, carbonyl fluoride, and perfluoropropane and they are pretty toxic when inhaled, this according to a 1987 CDC study. DuPont scientists, in their own experiments, found that smoking a cigarette laced with a spec of Teflon about the size of the head of a pin was equivalent to breathing Teflon fumes at high concentrations for a full workday. This exceeds the exposure levels that caused polymer fume fever in DuPont’s other human studies. Those exposed in this manner suffered the worst symptoms."

        So the Flour salt surely will be a contender among the indicated remedies!
        In fact maybe you could think about the mental state these people develop - those that are sensitive to teflon. IT would be interesting if thre was any change toward the Flour characteristics. (Most notably Fluoric acid - which is indicative of the Fluor mental state).

        all the best,
        dr. leela
        http://www.homeopathy2health.com

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        • #5
          Re: Re: teflon fever

          I heard Fran Vermeulen on this subject last year and according to him the fluor remedies are the most likely. But this should give a more excact indication of which fluor remedies. The constituional fluoricums will probably suffer the most but this is a pathogenic factor that will cause problems with everyone so should be treated like an epidemic.

          W

          Last edited by jonh; 8th October 2004, 03:44 PM.

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          • #6
            Ingestion of food from teflon pan do not effect, but fumes/smoke inhaled only effects. Is it right to prescribe same remedy/isopathy in both cases similarily as for ingested or taken as fumes/smoke or inhaled? Are particles of teflon or fluoride...are embedded in respratory system or gone/absorbed in blood?
            Homeopathic & Biochemic system existed because Drs.Hahnemann & Schuessler thought differently.
            Successful people don't do different things, they do things differently..Shiv Khera

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            • #7
              Re: Re: teflon fever

              Individualized treatment (homeopathy, according to the individual symptom picture) is more effective than isopathy because it addresses *both* the toxicity *and* the preexisting weakness/vulnerability. Isopathy can *at best* treat only the single episode.

              Shannon
              Last edited by jonh; 8th October 2004, 03:45 PM.

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              • #8
                Re: Re: teflon fever

                Originally posted by Kayveeh
                Are particles of teflon or fluoride...are embedded in respratory system or gone to the blood?
                I honestly don't know. But I'm guessing in the blood.

                w.
                Last edited by jonh; 8th October 2004, 03:46 PM.

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                • #9
                  Re: Re: teflon fever

                  Sure, sometimes the indicated remedy (that is, indicated according to the symptom picture) will be a potentized version of the substance itself. It's my understanding that this is a *minority* of cases, but in that case the prescription would be homeopathic as well as isopathic.

                  If these poisoning cases show a lot of fluoric symptoms, then it is indeed plausible that a fluoric remedy will cure. My point had to do with method of choosing the remedy (isopathy versus homeopathy), not which remedy to choose.

                  To give a more specific answer to your question
                  >>> Is it right to prescribe same remedy/isopathy in both cases similarily as for ingested or taken as fumes/smoke or inhaled?


                  If you are prescribing isopathically, then there would be no basis for choosing a different remedy; if you are prescribing homeopathically, you would need to prescribe according to the symptom picture, not according to the presumed *reason* for the symptom picture -- I guess that's all I meant to say...

                  Shannon
                  Last edited by jonh; 8th October 2004, 03:47 PM.

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                  • #10
                    If patients symptom picture matches with Acid Fluor or Calc. Fluor., then it is ok, But when ingested food from teflon pan do not effects, it means these materials goes to blood but do not effect. If fumes/smoke inhaled is differant from that substance ingested? Can you mention symptoms of patients with teflon fever, here?
                    Homeopathic & Biochemic system existed because Drs.Hahnemann & Schuessler thought differently.
                    Successful people don't do different things, they do things differently..Shiv Khera

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                    • #11
                      Re: Re: teflon fever

                      I can't find any concrete symptoms or diagnostic system. All i can find is that it is hard to differntiate from influenza. And from Vermeulen I know it resembles fluor remedies.

                      W.
                      Last edited by jonh; 9th October 2004, 12:52 AM.

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                      • #12
                        Re: Re: teflon fever

                        Human symptoms are 'flu like' with body aches. There is no single diagnostic other than detective work. Industrial exposure is relatively un-reported since (in the US) the governmental regulation of respirators used in contact zones is supposedly enforced. The plastics industry puts out a lot of information on just how safe this material is (ha ha).

                        I don't have access to my home library (currently doing hurricane cleanup with family), but do have one article handy. While it is basically about the pet bird deaths, it has an interesting list of household items that are suspect in this problem at the end - I will cut and paste a few paragraphs:

                        source: THE SILENT KILLER By Joanie Doss

                        Polytetraflouethylene is known by the brand name Teflon and most bird owners realize that using products that have this coating cannot safely be used around birds. However, there are many other brand names that are also polytetraflouethylene. Some of these are: Silverstone, Fluron, Supra, Excalibur, Greblon, Xylon, Duracote, Resistal, Autograph and T-Fal are just a few. These coatings are used primarily to keep things from sticking.

                        The San Antonio Zoo in Texas lost 21 birds in an outdoor aviary awhile back. Their death was caused when the birds gathered by lights that the zoo had installed so that the birds could warm themselves in an outdoor aviary. The bulbs had been coated with Polytetraflouethylene. Phillips standard red heating lamps have a coating of Teflon. The FDA now requires that bulbs be given a Teflon coating as a shatter shield when used around food.

                        PTFE was discovered in 1941. Basically this is a plastic. Teflon is the trademark for a tetrafluoroeghylene resin with a high resistance to heat and corrosive chemicals. It was originally used in wire insulation, cable spacers, gaskets and in other applications in the chemical industry. It then became popular as a non-stick coating for cook ware.

                        In 1951 the first case of human suffering from tetrafluoroethylene problems was reported. It produces flu like symptoms in humans. The tetrafluoroethylene lingers long after the product has been removed. It can remain in carpeting and draperies for some time.

                        When the report first circulated about Teflon causing bird deaths, it was thought that very high heat was needed to release the deadly fumes. Now there are reports that temperatures as low as 285 degrees can cause death to birds.

                        Teflon starts emitting fumes from the start of heating. It does not have to be a high temperature or for an extended length of time to cause death to your bird. Small birds breathing these fumes for only a few seconds took as long as 24 hours to die.

                        Many people think that Teflon is only dangerous if the pan burns. This danger lurks in other products besides cookware. These do not have to operate at a high temperature to cause damage to your birds. I have listed some products that use polytetraflouethylene. Not all of these use this coating nor are these the only places that it is used. Carefully read all products that you buy before you use them around your bird. If in doubt, call up the manufacturer and asked what he has used in the product.

                        Some Products That Use Polytetraflouethylene
                        Heat lamps
                        Portable heaters
                        Sole plates on irons
                        Ironing board covers
                        Burners on stove tops
                        Drip pans for burners
                        Broiler pans
                        Griddles
                        Many cooking utensils
                        Woks
                        Waffle makers
                        Electric skillets
                        Deep fryers, crock pots,
                        Hot air popcorn poppers
                        Coffee makers
                        Bread makers
                        Non-stick rolling pins
                        Lollipop molds
                        Corkscrews
                        Never-Stick-Stainless Steel
                        Stockpots
                        Roasters
                        Non-stick gingerbread molds
                        Pizza pans
                        Tortilla presses
                        1995 Joanie Doss.
                        Last edited by jonh; 9th October 2004, 12:53 AM.

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                        • #13
                          Re: Re: teflon fever

                          A remedy which suits the case on basis of symptom similarity *is* homeopathic to the case, regardless of whether it's same substance or different. If homeopathic remedy/simillimum can't be found or isn't working, then isopathic remedy is a reasonable thing to try. But if one is treating the *case* homeopathically, there will likely be more to do after the isopathic interlude! Homeopathy is a different thing from isopathy, tho of course not totally unrelated.

                          Cheers,
                          Shannon
                          Last edited by jonh; 9th October 2004, 12:53 AM.

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                          • #14
                            Re: Re: teflon fever

                            Originally posted by Wiet van Helmond
                            I can't find any concrete symptoms or diagnostic system. All i can find is that it is hard to differntiate from influenza. And from Vermeulen I know it resembles fluor remedies
                            Are you looking with reference to a specific patient, or exploring the general issue?


                            Shannon

                            Last edited by jonh; 9th October 2004, 12:54 AM.

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