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    dear colleagues,

    I am looking for more information on the posology (dose/potency system) as advocated by dr eizayaga.

    I could not find much info on this topic. (I did see the will taylor article on layers, though). all I know is that he started from 6C and repeated it and then worked up to 12C and then upto 30C.

    is there anyone here, who has studied with de eizayaga and is very familiar with his approach?

    I would like to know the frequency of repetition for 6C, 12C, 30C.

    did he follow a fixed protocol or did he individualise it?

    how long (on an average) did he use a potency, before moving to the next higher.

    does his system dissolve tumours / deal with chronic diseases / hypersensitive patients / psychiatric cases / cases taking allopathic medicines?

    what if the doses of 30C fail to cure completely? did he go to 200C or higher?

    did he talk about the "size of the dose" or gave random number of pills?

    dry or in water (as a single dose)?

    what was his potency for acutes?

    what about aggravations?

    any other relevant / important information about his dose / potency system?

    kindly reply to the homeolist or send a private email. your response will be much appreciated.

    sincerely thanking you for your kindness,
    dr manish

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    Only Venkat expressed my opinions of this stupid subject best left to ooze back into He'll, and the sooner, the better.

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    Andy

    andy, i wish to contact you. are you still available?

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    Andy

    dear colleagues,

    I am a classical homoeopath based in kolkata, INDIA

    i am looking for a very experienced homoeopath who can treat a family member. this patient is a constitutional SEPIA case but, has taken many many homoeopathic remedies in various potencies (including very high) and has gone through severe (almost life threatening dissimilar aggravation due to a wrong remedy. the vitality seems to have broken down and now the constitutional remedy (sepia) that was found after many years of suffering is not working very well.

    patient is male. 41. unmarried. the main symptoms of the patient were/are: sleep cycle disorder (sleeps in daytime and no sleep at night) for last 20 years, hair fall, OCD (mild to moderate), severe itching and wetness in ears, tinnitus, sexual weakness, weakness + stiffness in joints and fibromyalgia (this started after severe aggravation due to calc. phos. 10M taken 5 or so years ago), history of strong sweetish smell in urine / milky urine, twitching of left upper eyelid, pus pockets in left tonsil, weakness, neurofiboma.

    sepia has been tried in 30C and 200C.

    LM potencies tend to prove.

    i am wondering if this person can be healed totally with EIZAYAGA method or any other method. can anyone help? can anyone recommend some expert person who can handle such cases?
    i am looking for some compassionate person in india or any country.
    i will be grateful for your kindness.
    fees may be paid by paypal.

    please reply at the earliest.

    regards

    dr manish agarwala

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    dear colleagues,

    I am a classical homoeopath based in kolkata, INDIA

    i am looking for a very experienced homoeopath who can treat a family member. this patient is a constitutional SEPIA case but, has taken many many homoeopathic remedies in various potencies (including very high) and has gone through severe (almost life threatening dissimilar aggravation due to a wrong remedy. the vitality seems to have broken down and now the constitutional remedy (sepia) that was found after many years of suffering is not working very well.

    patient is male. 41. unmarried. the main symptoms of the patient were/are: sleep cycle disorder (sleeps in daytime and no sleep at night) for last 20 years, hair fall, OCD (mild to moderate), severe itching and wetness in ears, tinnitus, sexual weakness, weakness + stiffness in joints and fibromyalgia (this started after severe aggravation due to calc. phos. 10M taken 5 or so years ago), history of strong sweetish smell in urine / milky urine, twitching of left upper eyelid, pus pockets in left tonsil, weakness, neurofiboma.

    sepia has been tried in 30C and 200C.

    LM potencies tend to prove.

    i am wondering if this person can be healed totally with EIZAYAGA method or any other method. can anyone help? can anyone recommend some expert person who can handle such cases?
    i am looking for some compassionate person in india or any country.
    i will be grateful for your kindness.
    fees may be paid by paypal.

    please reply at the earliest.

    regards

    dr manish agarwala

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    dear colleagues,

    I am a classical homoeopath based in kolkata, INDIA

    i am looking for a very experienced homoeopath who can treat a family member. this patient is a constitutional SEPIA case but, has taken many many homoeopathic remedies in various potencies (including very high) and has gone through severe (almost life threatening dissimilar aggravation due to a wrong remedy. the vitality seems to have broken down and now the constitutional remedy (sepia) that was found after many years of suffering is not working very well.

    patient is male. 41. unmarried. the main symptoms of the patient were/are: sleep cycle disorder (sleeps in daytime and no sleep at night) for last 20 years, hair fall, OCD (mild to moderate), severe itching and wetness in ears, tinnitus, sexual weakness, weakness + stiffness in joints and fibromyalgia (this started after severe aggravation due to calc. phos. 10M taken 5 or so years ago), history of strong sweetish smell in urine / milky urine, twitching of left upper eyelid, pus pockets in left tonsil, weakness, neurofiboma.

    sepia has been tried in 30C and 200C.

    LM potencies tend to prove.

    i am wondering if this person can be healed totally with EIZAYAGA method or any other method. can anyone help? can anyone recommend some expert person who can handle such cases?
    i am looking for some compassionate person in india or any country.
    i will be grateful for your kindness.
    fees may be paid by paypal.

    please reply at the earliest.

    regards

    dr manish agarwala

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    (oops!! sorry ! to all- I made a mess) Eizayaga

    Dear Sue, Dr Luc , All,
    Terribly sorry. If it was first my non understanding
    of the context from the book, the second more non
    pardonable one was done even after I took up the book.
    Sorry to all again, esp to Dr Luc, and to the departed
    Dr Eizayaga (I never knew he was no more alive).

    Venkat
    --- Sue Startup <sue.startup@optusnet.com.au> wrote:

    > Dear Venkat,
    > In my copy of AMS, it reads " I am sorry that
    > Eizayga is deceased
    > because i would have asked him why he
    > thought........"
    > It seems there has been a printing error.
    > Best wishes.
    > Sue
    >
    > >
    > >can't believe it !!!!
    > >Dr Luc please take your book AMS, page 85
    > >Subheading 'Eizayaga's statements'
    > >
    > >Dr Fransisco Eizayaga said in his treatise of
    > >homeopathic medicine that
    > >
    > >"We disregard the position taken by Hahnemann and

    > kent
    > >concerning the dangers of repeating doses because

    > they
    > >never justified reasons for this positions by
    > >performing experiments, collecting statistical

    > data,
    > >or mentioning clinical experiences (Eizayaga, 1991

    > p
    > >214)
    > >
    > >Iam sorry Eizayaga is diseased because I would have
    > >asked him why he thought that Hahnemann never
    > >performed any experiments or collected dataon his
    > >clinical methods or experience..........
    > >
    > >Why do you suddenly duck ?
    > >Puzzled
    > >venkat
    > >--- dr luc <drluc@cybermesa.com> wrote:
    > >
    > >> Dear friends
    > >>
    > >> Regarding Dr Eizayaga! First of all: I never

    > said,
    > >> he is a "diseasewd" homeopath! I wonder why such
    > >> sentences are used unless to stir up a hornet's

    > nest
    > >> which some people seem to enjoy to practrice

    > their
    > >> sarcasm on. I attended a 3 day seminar of him

    > and
    > >> was only disappointed in the fact that he

    > blasted
    > >> Hahnemann and LM prescriptions (knowing nothing
    > >> about it), called Homeopatrhy is not a religion,
    > >> etc. It is disappointing hearing this from him.

    > I
    > >> like the book he wrote and I comment on some

    > things
    > >> in my new book AMS. But cewrtain;ly I am

    > convinced
    > >> he did a lot of good and in no way, dear Luise,
    > >> would I call him "diseased." On a teleconference
    > >> with his son. who took over the practice, I

    > asked
    > >> him what the difference was between his father's
    > >> method and von Boenninghausen method? The answer
    > >> was: Who is von Boenninghausen? I think that the
    > >> older Eizayaga had a very solid method but it

    > was
    > >> derived from whatever the old masters did
    > >> (especially VB). There is nothing wrong with it,

    > I
    > >> always give the kudos to where they belong.

    > Indeed
    > >> Eizayaga used 6C for his chronic cases, dry

    > doses,
    > >> repeated most of the time trhree times a day.
    > >>
    > >> With that said, if every homeopath was as good

    > as
    > >> the old Eizayaga, homeopathy would be on a

    > better
    > >> place
    > >>
    > >> Warm regards
    > >> dr luc
    > >> www.drluc.com
    > >> drluc@cybermesa.com
    > >>

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    Re: eizayaga method

    Originally posted by Maria
    I hope I didn't lead you to believe Tito practices this way, from what I have experienced, he does not. We did have discussions on some cases, and there were times he told me that such and such a case had a 'weak heart', and he couldn't go higher or more direct due to that condition as it would over stress the heart. So his first (lower dose) Rx remedies, were aqueous and more direct on the pathology. But certainly not routine.
    Hello,


    I was not relating this directly to Tito. I was taking about those who tend to limit their choice of such remedies to a few specifics. I was speaking about how to expand the field of remedies and enhance individualization.
    Originally posted by Maria
    I don't know how frequently they go that high, and perhaps even higher. I was quite surprised to hear this. This is why I forwarded some of these emails to Tito and perhaps he will comment to us.
    Originally posted by Maria
    The impression he gave me is that these high potencies are indeed used in South America, I don't know if they made them or purchased them. I just know he told me his homeopath gave him one of those very high LM potencies. The impression I got was they 'jumped' up to these higher potencies towards the end of treatment, rather than sequentially used them as we do (and I believe they do) with the lower LMs in pathological conditions.
    Such high LM potencies are not available in India although up to around 0/60 of some remedies can be purchased.
    Originally posted by Maria
    I know I have followed LMs on occasions with a 1M or 10M if the case seemed to need it. (But not frequently, I must admit).
    Originally posted by Maria
    So, rather than give you erronious secondary information, I am going to contact him to be sure I am imparting accuracy.
    Tito's English is very understandable, but I don't know how well he writes our language.
    It would be nice to hear what they are doing.
    Originally posted by Maria
    There are not sufficent opportunities to study with several masters in the USA, something I have been trying to change.
    I believe in taking the best of what others have to offer and without laboring to much about what they don't really understand. In this way, one can learn something from almost everybody.

    Originally posted by Maria
    Yes, and I may have misunderstood Massimo, as that may just have been what he said. I have greatly benefitted by his view of cases and remedy studies.
    Many of the constitutionalist are very good with the materia medica although their posology and case management is sometimes limited in perspective. Their work jn the MM should not be overlooked because of stylistic differences. I consider some of these people "specialists". I, however, and just an old fashioned general practitioner.

    Originally posted by Maria
    But, as you have said, there are other ways to treat and still stick close to what Hahnemann's teachings.
    The seed and roots of the tree of Homoeopath are found in Hahnemann. This is really the best place to start one's studies as it makes for a very strong foundation. Without this basis one's practice is not really grounded. The trunk of the tree of Homoeopathy grew with Boenninghausen, Hering, Jahr, Stapf and Gross and others of the first generation. Then the branches spread out with Lippe, Kent, Schmidt, H.C. Allen, J.H. Allen, T.F. Allen, Clarke, Burnett, Boger and others in the later 19th and early 20th century. The leaves are the contemporary practitioners who have been inspired insights by great modern homoeopaths like E. Whitmont, who introduced Jungian psychology to Homoeopathy. The fruits are the spread of Homoeopathy to a new generation of patients and practitioners. The seeds of the next generation that will grow into new trees long after I am gone!


    Simila Minimus
    Sincerely, David Little

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    Re: eizayaga method

    I find that some who wish to use so-called drainage, organ, tissue, of systems remedies limit themselves to a few well known remedies that may or may not work on the individual.
    I hope I didn't lead you to believe Tito practices this way, from what I have experienced, he does not. We did have discussions on some cases, and there were times he told me that such and such a case had a 'weak heart', and he couldn't go higher or more direct due to that condition as it would over stress the heart. So his first (lower dose) Rx remedies, were aqueous and more direct on the pathology.

    But certainly not routine.
    Originally posted by Maria
    Originally posted by David
    Another comment here, Tito most certainly uses high potencies, very, very, very high potencies, such as LM 200's and maybe even much higher. I don't know much about this, as we have not had extensive discussions on it. But from what I understand to go after the miasmatic tendencies the South American homeopaths will go very high.
    Are you saying he used the LM potency up to the 0/200! If so, that is the highest I have heard of. I have noticed the the better I select the remedy the less I seem to need ultra high potencies. I have seen lower to moderate LM potency affect the miasms very effectively. They seem to have an affinity with such states.
    I don't know how frequently they go that high, and perhaps even higher. I was quite surprised to hear this.

    This is why I forwarded some of these emails to Tito and perhaps he will comment to us.

    The impression he gave me is that these high potencies are indeed used in South America, I don't know if they made them or purchased them. I just know he told me his homeopath gave him one of those very high LM potencies. The impression I got was they 'jumped' up to these higher potencies towards the end of treatment, rather than sequentially used them as we do (and I believe they do) with the lower LMs in pathological conditions.

    I know I have followed LMs on occasions with a 1M or 10M if the case seemed to need it. (But not frequently, I must admit).

    So, rather than give you erronious secondary information, I am going to contact him to be sure I am imparting accuracy.

    Tito's English is very understandable, but I don't know how well he writes our language.
    Originally posted by David
    Then one should study with a variety of homoeopaths using different styles and absorb what they a good and forget the rest. When one wishes to learn some very good insights into the materia medica then homeopaths like Massimo are excellent. When it comes to advanced posology, flexible case management and treating one-sided diseases, complex miasms, and heavy organic pathology then one must look somewhere else.
    Yes, I absolutely agree with you. There are not sufficent opportunities to study with several masters in the USA, something I have been trying to change.

    Originally posted by David
    33% failure of our cases is a number that is too great to accept. This 33% most likely is made of those who do not suit the grand constitutional remedy that is supposed to be good for everything.
    Yes, and I may have misunderstood Massimo, as that may just have been what he said. I have greatly benefitted by his view of cases and remedy studies.


    But, as you have said, there are other ways to treat and still stick close to what Hahnemann's teachings.


    Warmest regards,

    Maria

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    Originally posted by Maria
    Originally posted by David
    I wanted to comment on the Eizayaga's suggestions in pathological cases, etc. It is my experience that the "constitutional remedy" is not always appropriate for one-side states, old stubborn local conditions, and advanced organic pathology.
    Yes, most definitely! I think we rely a bit too much on the 'one remedy for everything' routine, thus possibly veering away from true Hahnemannian 'clinical' work.
    Originally posted by Maria
    (After having been treated with 'one' remedy for a couple of years, by a very classical homeopath, and I started proving the remedy despite it doing me a lot of good, I had to abandon that remedy.) The real shock to me was that Tito started me on 'sulphur' and then thuja, which kinda cleared the field so to speak, I beleive I took 30C potencies for awhile and they did me a lot of good. So, basically we went back to square one.
    The one remedy for all situations (acute, chronic, functional, pathological, etc.) is a therapeutic absolute that does not hold true in the relative world of clinical practice. Of course, I have cases where one remedy does seem to be global in regards to an individual patient. I am always quite happy when this happens but that does not mean that this is suitable for patient under every time and circumstances. First and foremost, homeopathy is a system of flexible response that can be tailor to a wide variety of clinical situations.
    Originally posted by Maria
    Originally posted by David
    In such cases I find that Boenninghausen's method using location, sensation, modifications centered on the main complaints and the concomitants leads to remedies that are distinctly individualized yet centered on the advanced pathology.
    Yes, I believe that is exactly how he thought, however I will forward this letter to Tito for further commets.
    I find that some who wish to use so-called drainage, organ, tissue, of systems remedies limit themselves to a few well known remedies that may or may not work on the individual. If one carefully studies the regions, sensations and modalities of the main complaint and balances this by a study of the concomitant symptoms in other areas, the number of potential remedies and their effectiveness is greatly increased. In this way, one selects remedy that are based on the characteristic symptoms of the individual rather than a few so-called specifics.

    Originally posted by Maria
    Originally posted by David
    I have also found that low potencies like 6c, 12c, etc., are often useful in such cases, especially when their is advanced organic pathology, sensitivity and low vitality with an unstable VF. In some cases, I work the patient up through the low potencies to 30c
    I believe this is what Tito does also, and depending on the situation will even start with 30C, he also uses some type of herbals with it in the beginning for a kind of clean out. (this may be his own method) but that ends very quickly.
    In cases where the organs of elimination are compromised there are often cleansing crises that often involve suffering and an increase of symptoms. For this reason, it is sometimes good to use the location, sensation, modification and concomitant method to select a remedy that can remove this condition. In this case, the clear mental symptoms are used as differentiating or confirmatory symptom. Always giving a constitutional remedy by the mental and generals (the above to below method) sometimes causes unneeded aggravations and crises in such cases.


    Nevertheless, there is no reason to treat every patient with so-called drainage remedies, etc., in some routine, mechanistic manner. There are many cases where the constitutional remedy acts in a holographic manner and removes a great number of causes, predispositions and pathological onditions.
    Originally posted by Maria
    Originally posted by David
    and then switch to the LM 0/1 if I feel the jump to 200c is inappropriate.
    David, having learned my LM use from you, I too do it this way. Those LMs are so useful
    Yes, this is good method I have used many, many times.

    Originally posted by Maria
    Originally posted by David
    I would be much happier if potencies like the 60c, 100c, 150c were more readily available.
    Although Tito does use LMs, he also uses these above potencies, and all in aqueous dilutions. So he takes someone from a 30C, and moves them to the 60C, etc - And he makes these potencies himself if needed. (I don't know if they are available in South America)
    These potencies are hard to get in India and it is very difficult for us "Indians" to buy remedies in $ from the West. It is very expensive for those who are working in Asia on limited funds. The LMs are easily to make but the Cs are very difficult. I am glad to hear the "Tito" has taken advantage of the medicinal solutions, etc.

    Originally posted by Maria
    Originally posted by David
    As to the repetition of the dry dose - I would think that most problems would be avoided if the practitioner was vigilant and stopped the remedy at any sign of a strikingly increasing amelioration (the best sign)
    I have only known Tito to use a dry dose on very infrequent occasions (intercurrents), but if a second dose was to be needed it is always done aqueous.
    It sounds like he as integrated Hahnemann's advanced posology methods into his system. I am glad to here this. There is rarely a need to give so many dry pills and such a method often leads to necessary complications.

    Originally posted by Maria
    Another comment here, Tito most certainly uses high potencies, very, very, very high potencies, such as LM 200's and maybe even much higher. I don't know much about this, as we have not had extensive discussions on it. But from what I understand to go after the miasmatic tendencies the South American homeopaths will go very high.
    Are you saying he used the LM potency up to the 0/200! If so, that is the highest I have heard of. I have noticed the the better I select the remedy the less I seem to need ultra high potencies. I have seen lower to moderate LM potency affect the miasms very effectively. They seem to have an affinity with such states.

    Originally posted by Maria
    Also, once I discussed Massimo Mangialavori's comment that 'we' homeopaths will not be able to help 1/3 of our patients (Massimo is truly the 'one remedy' homeopath, and I very much enjoy his methods and ways of working so don't take this as any kind of criticism to Massimo), but Tito said with Hahnemann's methods he felt that the1/3 number could be cut in half.
    First of all, one should learn their Hahnemannian fundamental very well. To many persons still do not know what they are missing by not do this in earnest. This helps one sort the "wheat from the chaff" and start their practice on a very strong foundation. Then one should study with a variety of homoeopaths using different styles and absorb what they a good and forget the rest. When one wishes to learn some very good insights into the materia medica then homeopaths like Massimo are excellent. When it comes to advanced posology, flexible case management and treating one-sided diseases, complex miasms, and heavy organic pathology then one must look somewhere else. 33% failure of our cases is a number that is too great to accept. This 33% most likely is made of those who do not suit the grand constitutional remedy that is supposed to be good for everything. Some cases must be worked carefully in layers. This is especially true of advance chronic diseases, complex miasms, and one-sided pathology in vital organs.

    Originally posted by David
    PS. I don't really consider Dr. E's method non-Hahnemann in extreme as to treating one-sided or local diseases diseases, and advanced pathology, etc. After all he uses likes cures likes and one single potentized remedy at a time. Hahnemann suggested repeating remedies to speed the cure when necessary in the 5th and 6th Organon although Dr.E's posology is not as sophisticated as Hahnemann's. His methods seem to be more of a variation on a general theme rather than a complete break with the major principles. He is not mixing up 10 remedies by disease names and giving them at once!
    There are some who love to criticize what they see as "classical homeopathy" so they try to cleave wedges between those who use the similars cure similars and one single potentized remedy at a time. This is what classical or traditional homeopaths share and is the essence of what comes from the Founder. On this solid basis, there are many schools that highlight different aspects of practice but the core principles are very similar. This is what makes us all homeopaths.


    There are those that wish to "divide and confuse' that place their own definitions on what they call classical homeopathy and then they refute their own projections in an effort to make others look like hypocrites. This is a trick used by lawyers, politicians and those with agendas that try to separate individuals into being either "for or against" their own personal version of reality. It is a waste of time to get too involved in such games but it is good to be aware that it is happening!

    Ars Longa - Vita Brevis
    Sincerely, David Little

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    Hello David and Friends,

    I cannot even suggest I can speak for Eizayaga's method, however I am currently being treated by a homeopath who studied with Eizayaga. Tito comes from Columbia, and his method is somewhat different from what 'we' are used to, but definitely, as David said, not "non Hahnemannian".

    David, you have come the closest in what you have written to what I have experienced with Tito.

    more comments in the body of your letter below:

    Originally posted by David
    I wanted to comment on the Eizayaga's suggestions in pathological cases, etc. It is my experience that the "constitutional remedy" is not always appropriate for one-side states, old stubborn local conditions, and advanced organic pathology.
    Yes, most definitely!

    I think we rely a bit too much on the 'one remedy for everything' routine, thus possibly veering away from true Hahnemannian 'clinical' work.

    (After having been treated with 'one' remedy for a couple of years, by a very classical homeopath, and I started proving the remedy despite it doing me a lot of good, I had to abandon that remedy.) The real shock to me was that Tito started me on 'sulphur' and then thuja, which kinda cleared the field so to speak, I beleive I took 30C potencies for awhile and they did me a lot of good. So, basically we went back to square one.

    Originally posted by David
    In such cases I find that Boenninghausen's method using location, sensation, modifications centered on the main complaints and the concomitants leads to remedies that are distinctly individualized yet centered on the advanced pathology.
    Yes, I believe that is exactly how he thought, however I will forward this letter to Tito for further commets.

    Originally posted by David
    I have also found that low potencies like 6c, 12c, etc., are often useful in such cases, especially when their is advanced organic pathology, sensitivity and low vitality with an unstable VF. In some cases, I work the patient up through the low potencies to 30c
    I believe this is what Tito does also, and depending on the situation will even start with 30C, he also uses some type of herbals with it in the beginning for a kind of clean out. (this may be his own method) but that ends very quickly.

    Originally posted by David
    and then switch to the LM 0/1 if I feel the jump to 200c is inappropriate.
    David, having learned my LM use from you, I too do it this way. Those LMs are so useful,

    Originally posted by David
    I would be much happier if potencies like the 60c, 100c, 150c were more readily available.
    Although Tito does use LMs, he also uses these above potencies, and all in aqueous dilutions. So he takes someone from a 30C, and moves them to the 60C, etc - And he makes these potencies himself if needed. (I don't know if they are available in South America)


    Originally posted by David
    As to the repetition of the dry dose - I would think that most problems would be avoided if the practitioner was vigilant and stopped the remedy at any sign of a strikingly increasing amelioration (the best sign)
    I have only known Tito to use a dry dose on very infrequent occasions (intercurrents), but if a second dose was to be needed it is always done aqueous.



    Another comment here, Tito most certainly uses high potencies, very, very, very high potencies, such as LM 200's and maybe even much higher. I don't know much about this, as we have not had extensive discussions on it. But from what I understand to go after the miasmatic tendencies the South American homeopaths will go very high.

    Also, once I discussed Massimo Mangialavori's comment that 'we' homeopaths will not be able to help 1/3 of our patients (Massimo is truly the 'one remedy' homeopath, and I very much enjoy his methods and ways of working so don't take this as any kind of criticism to Massimo), but Tito said with Hahnemann's methods he felt that the1/3 number could be cut in half.

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    RE: eizayaga method

    Hello all,

    I wanted to comment on the Eizayaga's suggestions in pathological cases, etc. It is my experience that the "constitutional remedy" is not always appropriate for one-side states, old stubborn local conditions, and advanced organic pathology. After all, even Kent said when speaking of advanced pathology, "Do not give them constitutional remedy they needed 20 years ago!" This is because it is too late to use this method. In some cases, the outcome of using such remedies is prolonged aggravation not follow by amelioration.

    In such cases I find that Boenninghausen's method using location, sensation, modifications centered on the main complaints and the concomitants leads to remedies that are distinctly individualized yet centered on the advanced pathology. If one carefully studies the concomitant symptoms the potential to suppress is removed. Such a medicine may play the role of what some call the lesional, drainage, organ or tissue remedy in such cases. The remedy may be focused directly at the pathology in the regions while still taking into account the uniqueness of each individual constitution. In this manner the pathology can be reversed as the vitality increases. As the pathological time line reverses one may find that they may be able to give the patient the constitutional remedy they needed 20 years ago if necessary to complete the cure!

    I have also found that low potencies like 6c, 12c, etc., are often useful in such cases, especially when their is advanced organic pathology, sensitivity and low vitality with an unstable VF. In some cases, I work the patient up through the low potencies to 30c and then switch to the LM 0/1 if I feel the jump to 200c is inappropriate. I would be much happier if potencies like the 60c, 100c, 150c were more readily available.

    As to the repetition of the dry dose - I would think that most problems would be avoided if the practitioner was vigilant and stopped the remedy at any sign of a strikingly increasing amelioration (the best sign), any appearance of an similar aggravation (sign of over medication), or the appearance of strong new symptoms (sign of a wrong remedy). If such signs are watch for and the case management strategies prepared to make need changes most problems should be overcome. I also would not discount the effectiveness of giving a single test dose even of these low potencies! Many times such a dose produces a strikingly increasing amelioration!

    Of course, I prefer the use of the medicinal solution in split-doses to the repetition of the dry pills for a good number of reasons. First of all, it keeps the size of the dose to minimum by restricting the number of pills given to the patient. Secondly, the medicinal solution can be succussed prior to repetition so that the VF never receives the exact same potency twice in succession. This method seems to keep the remedy active while reducing the potential for aggravations. Third the medicinal solution allows for the careful adjustment of the remedy when necessary. This advanced method was tailor made for the repetition of the remedy in protracted diseases to speed the cure. Nevertheless, the same precautions are needed when using the medicinal solution and split-dose as the dry dose.

    Sincerely, David Little

    PS. I don't really consider Dr. E's method non-Hahnemann in extreme as to treating one-sided or local diseases diseases, and advanced pathology, etc. After all he uses likes cures likes and one single potentized remedy at a time. Hahnemann suggested repeating remedies to speed the cure when necessary in the 5th and 6th Organon although Dr.E's posology is not as sophisticated as Hahnemann's. His methods seem to be more of a variation on a general theme rather than a complete break with the major principles. He is not mixing up 10 remedies by disease names and giving them at once!

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    Hi Teresa,

    Jumping from 6 daily to 30c daily is *quite* a jump, and to me it seems quite likely that this is why you had a problem!!

    I wonder what would have happened if you'd repeated "as needed" rather than "daily"? In that case jumping from 6 to 30 would (most likely) not have been a problem, and the 30 might have needed repeating only infrequently.

    Shannon

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    Working ways for the right rubric and remedy. Especially the delusional aspect.The theme is different -"A mosquito thinking of ways to slay humans". Who said they don't have 'minds'?

    But to people generally it is a slight nuisance and one can easily get over it. The difference is in the level of existence.

    Venkat

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    "...but the bitter, cutting kind..."

    Oh my!

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    So what? In real life there are actually people who do not suffer fools gladly. Get over it.

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