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    and similar for other childhood diseases such as chickenpox

    Why Measles Might Be Necessary (and all the childhood illnesses)

    http://www.whale.to/m/measles3.html

    "It is well known that measles is an important development milestone in the
    life and maturing processes in children. Why would anybody want to stop or
    delay the maturation processes of children and of their immune
    systems?"--Viera Scheibner

    "In Annals of Tropical Paediatrics, [53] the following case is reported:
    1984 a 5 year-old girl presented with a bad case of psoriasis. She showed
    large affected areas on her body and extremities, also involving to a
    significant degree her scalp. During the following year she was treated by
    Pediatricians and Dermatologists with coal tar preparations, local
    steroids, UV light, and dithranol wraps. Despite these therapies and two
    hospitalizations, the psoriasis was refractory and remained essentially
    unchanged until she came down with measles. As the measles rash began to
    spread over her skin, the psoriasis disappeared. Since then she has been
    free of psoriasis."--Thomas Quak,

    "After contracting measles and other childhood illnesses (e.g.. chickenpox,
    scarlet fever, whooping cough, rubella, mumps and may be others), it has
    been widely accepted by many health practitioners, including experienced
    orthodox paediatricians that this is often beneficial for the general
    health of many children. Specifically it has been shown that children
    contracting measles naturally were less likely to suffer from allergic
    conditions such as asthma, eczema and hayfever, (Lancer June 29
    1996)."---Trevor Gunn BSc

    "Most parents today find it quite difficult to understand why they have to
    have their child vaccinated against this particular disease (measles) when
    their mothers used to organise measles parties to ensure all the children
    of the family had it!" In fact a mild dose of measles stimulates the
    immature immune system, in the correct sequence, to develop naturally,
    thereby strengthening the child generally."--Christina J Head MCH Rs. Hon

    "Experiencing the measles actually strengthens the immune system. If
    measles is experienced generation after generation the disease gets weaker
    in its manifestation and becomes stronger in the identifying properties of
    the DNA/RNA chain. This passes on a permanent immunity to future
    generations from that particular lineage. If there is a virgin population
    that has never experienced the disease, then these individuals have a more
    likely chance of having more severe complications of that illness.
    Measles, along with, chickenpox, smallpox, any herpes, ringworm is a
    Tubercular Miasm."--Phyllis (AVN list)

    "the process of recovering from the natural disease also "primes" the
    organism nonspecifically to respond promptly and efficiently to other
    micro-organisms in the future. A crucial step in the maturation of a
    healthy immune system, the ability to mount a vigorous, acute response to
    infection unquestionably represents a major ingredient of optimum health
    and well-being in general.....................It has taken us many
    centuries of adaptation and "herd immunity" to convert it into an ordinary
    childhood disease, such that, when I first encountered it at the age of 6,
    nonspecific mechanisms were already in place to help me deal with it
    effectively. In that historical sense, the permanent immunity acquired by
    recovery from the natural disease represents an absolute net gain for the
    total health of the race as well. However the vaccines act inside the human
    body, true natural immunity or any other qualitative benefit cannot be
    ascribed to them: their effectiveness is a mere statistic, and the
    resulting "immunity" a narrowly defined technicality."---Richard Moskowitz,
    M.D.(Vaccination: A Sacrament of Modern Medicine

    "Relation between psoriasis and measles" (Z. Hautkr., vol. 57, no. 6, March
    15, 1982, pp. 439-40 [article in German]): Psoriatics with measles in the
    history had a light type of psoriasis and low titers of measles antibodies;
    psoriatics without measles in the history, however, had severe types of
    psoriasis, and the titers of measles antibodies were high."


    **********
    Miasms are a complicated subject but basically are, by definition, the
    affects of infections and their sequels, which are collective diseases of
    common cause and similar symptoms. These are infections we experience or
    unresolved things resulting from infections in our parents or ancestors
    (can be inherited or acquired)

    >From Margaret Roy, "The Principles of Homeopathic Philosophy"

    (book)............

    "You may come across this term in some books, so a few words here are
    appropriate.

    An acute miasm ["is a disease that".....my addition....Sheri] occurs once
    in a lifetime. Diseases such as measles, chicken pox, mumps, rubella,
    whooping cough, diphtheria, polio, smallpox, etc are examples. They are
    almost all childhood illnesses, and that is the clue to their role.

    An acute miasm is as it says, an acute expression of the underlying miasm.
    The vital force of the child is much stronger than that of an adult, so it
    can attempt to throw out, through an acute illness, what an adult could
    not. Through the childhood illnesses, the stronger vital force of the
    child attempts to unburden some of the miasmic load it has inherited. Later
    on, polluted and devitalized by the environment, and by stress and bad
    habits, it cannot do this, or if it does, the childhood diseases are often
    more severe in the adult.

    So, an acute miasm is a special kind of acute disease that strikes deep
    enough to change the constitution, and this is why the homeopath does not
    believe in suppressing diseases such as mumps, chicken pox, rubella, etc."

    *******
    My comments on the above information that I teach in my homeopathy
    classes..........

    I would suggest that vaccines do not prevent diseases - they just sensitize
    and basically give you a chronic case of the disease so you can't get an
    acute one. We have traded acute illness for chronic illness. And by the
    time each vaccine came out the deaths had already declined greatly and in
    many cases deaths increased after the vaccine. So it takes a lot of
    looking into to see through the propaganda.

    So not only have children not had the chance to throw off miasmatic layers;
    or the chance to build their immune systems with the challenge of illness;
    they have had further layers of damaged piled on with all that the vaccine
    does and adds.

    Its take a little to wrap your head around this as it is totally different
    to anything you have probably been taught.

    Acute miasm and acute illness are somewhat the same thing. Only usually
    what we refer to as an acute miasm (in homeopathy) is something you only
    get once - ie. chickenpox, measles, etc.

    We have interrupted a process whereby chronic miasms (disturbances) were
    dealt with early on in life by acute miasms (illness) before and since
    vaccination, the child is unable to and therefore we have created
    generations of diseased, chronically ill humans

    A lot of this is theoretical - how we try to explain it from a homeopathic
    perspective. Acute miasms are able to help unburden the chronic miasm
    load...................but not all are susceptible to measles, etc
    ........it seems not all 'need' to get this disease to help unburden. These
    diseases (ie measles and all) have developed over millenia - a symbiosis?

    FOR THOSE WHO WANT TO DELVE DEEPER - now this will be challenging but there
    if you want it

    This is the Organon, the writings of Samuel Hahnemann, discoverer of
    Homeopathy - this online edition has his 5th & 6th editions.
    Read the 6th edition. The last one that he did. This is where we get our
    laws and principles from.

    http://www.homeoint.org/books/hahorgan/organ040.htm#P46
    or
    http://www.homeopathyhome.com/refere...n/organon.html

    Read Aphorisms 46 - 51
    About measles being able to cure other diseases.

    More on acute and chronic diseases (miasms)

    http://www.homeoint.org/books/hahorgan/organ060.htm#P72
    Acute & Chronic Diseases
    Read Aphorisms 72-81


    http://www.homeoint.org/books/hahorgan/organ080.htm#P80
    Psora & the Miasms
    Aphorisms 80-81

    http://www.homeoint.org/books/hahorg...200.htm#P204E6
    Aphorisms 204 - 209



    WE HAVE TRADED ACUTE ILLNESS FOR CHRONIC ILLNESS
    We are unable to throw of inherited and acquired illness (miasms) as well
    are other acquired and inherited disturbances (non-infectious) -
    collective diseases that can include physical and mental traumas, endemic
    nutritional deficiencies, exposure of a group to poisons and toxins &
    vaccines & drugs, as well as environmentally induced disorders such as the
    affects of living in an unhealthy climate, dead buildings, negative
    telluric affects, etc. (these are not miasms but are disturbances).

    We are not given the opportunity to throw of chronic miasms and ALSO HAVE
    added further disturbance with the vaccine.

    **********
    Certain children more susceptible to complications from measles so need to
    be aware - that is why a homeopath can be so helpful.....

    http://www.simillimum.com/Thelittlel...gymiasm/miasms
    pp.html
    "A constitution with the inherited TB miasm is especially susceptible to
    acute miasms that affect the eyes, ear, nose, throat, glands, and
    respiratory tract. Those with a TB constitution often experience dangerous
    complications to the common acute miasms of childhood, such as measles,
    mumps, and chickenpox.".

    This won't make a lot of sense to you without a deeper knowledge of
    homeopathy, but a homeopath can help a child with this disturbance so that
    they won't be susceptible to complications from these diseases and/or can
    help treating if a child does encounter measles, etc.

    Hope this helps
    Sheri




  • #2
    Re: Why Measles Might Be Necessary (and all thechildhood illnesses)

    I was told of an incident where a little girl who had had a severe eruption
    of measles lost her eye. Apparently, some eruptions formed on her retina.

    If this is true, it must be pretty rare.

    Jeff Tikari


    ----- Original Message -----
    From: "Sheri Nakken" <homeopathycures@tesco.net>
    To: <homeopathy@homeolist.com>
    Sent: Saturday, December 31, 2005 6:48 AM
    Subject: [H] Why Measles Might Be Necessary (and all the childhood
    illnesses)


    > and similar for other childhood diseases such as chickenpox
    >
    > Why Measles Might Be Necessary (and all the childhood illnesses)
    >
    > http://www.whale.to/m/measles3.html
    >
    > "It is well known that measles is an important development milestone in
    > the
    > life and maturing processes in children. Why would anybody want to stop
    > or
    > delay the maturation processes of children and of their immune
    > systems?"--Viera Scheibner
    >
    > "In Annals of Tropical Paediatrics, [53] the following case is reported:
    > 1984 a 5 year-old girl presented with a bad case of psoriasis. She showed
    > large affected areas on her body and extremities, also involving to a
    > significant degree her scalp. During the following year she was treated by
    > Pediatricians and Dermatologists with coal tar preparations, local
    > steroids, UV light, and dithranol wraps. Despite these therapies and two
    > hospitalizations, the psoriasis was refractory and remained essentially
    > unchanged until she came down with measles. As the measles rash began to
    > spread over her skin, the psoriasis disappeared. Since then she has been
    > free of psoriasis."--Thomas Quak,
    >
    > "After contracting measles and other childhood illnesses (e.g..
    > chickenpox,
    > scarlet fever, whooping cough, rubella, mumps and may be others), it has
    > been widely accepted by many health practitioners, including experienced
    > orthodox paediatricians that this is often beneficial for the general
    > health of many children. Specifically it has been shown that children
    > contracting measles naturally were less likely to suffer from allergic
    > conditions such as asthma, eczema and hayfever, (Lancer June 29
    > 1996)."---Trevor Gunn BSc
    >
    > "Most parents today find it quite difficult to understand why they have to
    > have their child vaccinated against this particular disease (measles)
    > when
    > their mothers used to organise measles parties to ensure all the children
    > of the family had it!" In fact a mild dose of measles stimulates the
    > immature immune system, in the correct sequence, to develop naturally,
    > thereby strengthening the child generally."--Christina J Head MCH Rs. Hon
    >
    > "Experiencing the measles actually strengthens the immune system. If
    > measles is experienced generation after generation the disease gets weaker
    > in its manifestation and becomes stronger in the identifying properties of
    > the DNA/RNA chain. This passes on a permanent immunity to future
    > generations from that particular lineage. If there is a virgin
    > population
    > that has never experienced the disease, then these individuals have a more
    > likely chance of having more severe complications of that illness.
    > Measles, along with, chickenpox, smallpox, any herpes, ringworm is a
    > Tubercular Miasm."--Phyllis (AVN list)
    >
    > "the process of recovering from the natural disease also "primes" the
    > organism nonspecifically to respond promptly and efficiently to other
    > micro-organisms in the future. A crucial step in the maturation of a
    > healthy immune system, the ability to mount a vigorous, acute response to
    > infection unquestionably represents a major ingredient of optimum health
    > and well-being in general.....................It has taken us many
    > centuries of adaptation and "herd immunity" to convert it into an ordinary
    > childhood disease, such that, when I first encountered it at the age of 6,
    > nonspecific mechanisms were already in place to help me deal with it
    > effectively. In that historical sense, the permanent immunity acquired by
    > recovery from the natural disease represents an absolute net gain for the
    > total health of the race as well. However the vaccines act inside the
    > human
    > body, true natural immunity or any other qualitative benefit cannot be
    > ascribed to them: their effectiveness is a mere statistic, and the
    > resulting "immunity" a narrowly defined technicality."---Richard
    > Moskowitz,
    > M.D.(Vaccination: A Sacrament of Modern Medicine
    >
    > "Relation between psoriasis and measles" (Z. Hautkr., vol. 57, no. 6,
    > March
    > 15, 1982, pp. 439-40 [article in German]): Psoriatics with measles in the
    > history had a light type of psoriasis and low titers of measles
    > antibodies;
    > psoriatics without measles in the history, however, had severe types of
    > psoriasis, and the titers of measles antibodies were high."
    >
    >
    > **********
    > Miasms are a complicated subject but basically are, by definition, the
    > affects of infections and their sequels, which are collective diseases of
    > common cause and similar symptoms. These are infections we experience or
    > unresolved things resulting from infections in our parents or ancestors
    > (can be inherited or acquired)
    >
    >>From Margaret Roy, "The Principles of Homeopathic Philosophy"

    > (book)............
    >
    > "You may come across this term in some books, so a few words here are
    > appropriate.
    >
    > An acute miasm ["is a disease that".....my addition....Sheri] occurs once
    > in a lifetime. Diseases such as measles, chicken pox, mumps, rubella,
    > whooping cough, diphtheria, polio, smallpox, etc are examples. They are
    > almost all childhood illnesses, and that is the clue to their role.
    >
    > An acute miasm is as it says, an acute expression of the underlying miasm.
    > The vital force of the child is much stronger than that of an adult, so it
    > can attempt to throw out, through an acute illness, what an adult could
    > not. Through the childhood illnesses, the stronger vital force of the
    > child attempts to unburden some of the miasmic load it has inherited.
    > Later
    > on, polluted and devitalized by the environment, and by stress and bad
    > habits, it cannot do this, or if it does, the childhood diseases are often
    > more severe in the adult.
    >
    > So, an acute miasm is a special kind of acute disease that strikes deep
    > enough to change the constitution, and this is why the homeopath does not
    > believe in suppressing diseases such as mumps, chicken pox, rubella, etc."
    >
    > *******
    > My comments on the above information that I teach in my homeopathy
    > classes..........
    >
    > I would suggest that vaccines do not prevent diseases - they just
    > sensitize
    > and basically give you a chronic case of the disease so you can't get an
    > acute one. We have traded acute illness for chronic illness. And by the
    > time each vaccine came out the deaths had already declined greatly and in
    > many cases deaths increased after the vaccine. So it takes a lot of
    > looking into to see through the propaganda.
    >
    > So not only have children not had the chance to throw off miasmatic
    > layers;
    > or the chance to build their immune systems with the challenge of illness;
    > they have had further layers of damaged piled on with all that the vaccine
    > does and adds.
    >
    > Its take a little to wrap your head around this as it is totally different
    > to anything you have probably been taught.
    >
    > Acute miasm and acute illness are somewhat the same thing. Only usually
    > what we refer to as an acute miasm (in homeopathy) is something you only
    > get once - ie. chickenpox, measles, etc.
    >
    > We have interrupted a process whereby chronic miasms (disturbances) were
    > dealt with early on in life by acute miasms (illness) before and since
    > vaccination, the child is unable to and therefore we have created
    > generations of diseased, chronically ill humans
    >
    > A lot of this is theoretical - how we try to explain it from a homeopathic
    > perspective. Acute miasms are able to help unburden the chronic miasm
    > load...................but not all are susceptible to measles, etc
    > .......it seems not all 'need' to get this disease to help unburden.
    > These
    > diseases (ie measles and all) have developed over millenia - a symbiosis?
    >
    > FOR THOSE WHO WANT TO DELVE DEEPER - now this will be challenging but
    > there
    > if you want it
    >
    > This is the Organon, the writings of Samuel Hahnemann, discoverer of
    > Homeopathy - this online edition has his 5th & 6th editions.
    > Read the 6th edition. The last one that he did. This is where we get our
    > laws and principles from.
    >
    > http://www.homeoint.org/books/hahorgan/organ040.htm#P46
    > or
    > http://www.homeopathyhome.com/refere...n/organon.html
    >
    > Read Aphorisms 46 - 51
    > About measles being able to cure other diseases.
    >
    > More on acute and chronic diseases (miasms)
    >
    > http://www.homeoint.org/books/hahorgan/organ060.htm#P72
    > Acute & Chronic Diseases
    > Read Aphorisms 72-81
    >
    >
    > http://www.homeoint.org/books/hahorgan/organ080.htm#P80
    > Psora & the Miasms
    > Aphorisms 80-81
    >
    > http://www.homeoint.org/books/hahorg...200.htm#P204E6
    > Aphorisms 204 - 209
    >
    >
    >
    > WE HAVE TRADED ACUTE ILLNESS FOR CHRONIC ILLNESS
    > We are unable to throw of inherited and acquired illness (miasms) as well
    > are other acquired and inherited disturbances (non-infectious) -
    > collective diseases that can include physical and mental traumas, endemic
    > nutritional deficiencies, exposure of a group to poisons and toxins &
    > vaccines & drugs, as well as environmentally induced disorders such as the
    > affects of living in an unhealthy climate, dead buildings, negative
    > telluric affects, etc. (these are not miasms but are disturbances).
    >
    > We are not given the opportunity to throw of chronic miasms and ALSO HAVE
    > added further disturbance with the vaccine.
    >
    > **********
    > Certain children more susceptible to complications from measles so need to
    > be aware - that is why a homeopath can be so helpful.....
    >
    > http://www.simillimum.com/Thelittlel...gymiasm/miasms
    > pp.html
    > "A constitution with the inherited TB miasm is especially susceptible to
    > acute miasms that affect the eyes, ear, nose, throat, glands, and
    > respiratory tract. Those with a TB constitution often experience dangerous
    > complications to the common acute miasms of childhood, such as measles,
    > mumps, and chickenpox.".
    >
    > This won't make a lot of sense to you without a deeper knowledge of
    > homeopathy, but a homeopath can help a child with this disturbance so that
    > they won't be susceptible to complications from these diseases and/or can
    > help treating if a child does encounter measles, etc.
    >
    > Hope this helps
    > Sheri
    >
    >
    >
    >

    Comment


    • #3
      Re: Why Measles Might Be Necessary (and all the childhoodillnesses)

      Rare enough (more children get killed on the roads that get measles
      complications) - the measles can have a strong affinity with the eyes,
      conjunctivitis being a common accompanying sx. But if you look at a
      number of the homeopathic rx that are associated with measles you'll
      see how many have the eye sx as keynotes - such as Pulsatilla,
      Belladonna, Rhus tox. So so easy to treat homeopathically, even the
      severe cases and so sad to hear of such stories, and of course the
      vaccinations will often make the cases more severe or complicated.
      Best, Joy
      http://www.homeopathicmateriamedica.com
      http://www.homeopathicmateriamedica.blogspot.com

      On 3 Jan 2006, at 00:43, j tikari wrote:

      > I was told of an incident where a little girl who had had a severe
      > eruption
      > of measles lost her eye. Apparently, some eruptions formed on her
      > retina.
      >
      > If this is true, it must be pretty rare.
      >
      > Jeff Tikari


      Comment


      • #4
        Re: Why Measles Might Be Necessary (and all the childhoodillnesses)

        Hi Joy,


        On Mon, 2 Jan 2006, Joy Lucas wrote:

        > Rare enough (more children get killed on the roads that get measles
        > complications) - the measles can have a strong affinity with the eyes,
        > conjunctivitis being a common accompanying sx. But if you look at a number of
        > the homeopathic rx that are associated with measles you'll see how many have
        > the eye sx as keynotes - such as Pulsatilla, Belladonna, Rhus tox. So so easy
        > to treat homeopathically, even the severe cases and so sad to hear of such
        > stories, and of course the vaccinations will often make the cases more severe
        > or complicated. Best, Joy
        > http: //www.homeopathicmateriamedica.com
        > http: //www.homeopathicmateriamedica.blogspot.com
        >

        1)You and many others act as if homeopathy was 100% successful and all
        it needed for a condition to be cured by it is its listing in the
        MM's and a "classical" homeopath.

        2) When I had the quite severe sequelae of measles I had no access to
        a classical homeopath. Many people around the globe do not and/or
        cannot afford to go to one.

        While I personally probably would no longer have a child of mine
        vaccinated against measles, I really cannot say whether I would
        generally stop it if I could.

        Es pecially since the children who do get an adverse reaction to the
        vaccination may also be the children who get complications with the
        measles.

        Regards

        Luise

        > On 3 Jan 2006, at 00:43, j tikari wrote:
        >
        >> I was told of an incident where a little girl who had had a severe
        >> eruption
        >> of measles lost her eye. Apparently, some eruptions formed on her retina.
        >>
        >> If this is true, it must be pretty rare.
        >>
        >> Jeff Tikari

        >
        >

        Comment


        • #5
          Re: Why Measles Might Be Necessary (and all the childhoodillnesses)

          Hi Jeff,

          On Mon, 2 Jan 2006, j tikari wrote:

          > I was told of an incident where a little girl who had had a severe eruption
          > of measles lost her eye. Apparently, some eruptions formed on her retina.
          >
          > If this is true, it must be pretty rare.
          >

          It may be rare but not so rare that the eye doctors did not know about
          it in 1941.

          I had it after the measles. With me it started on the white part of
          the eye and kept moving inwards towards the retina. I was told then
          that untreated it would cause blindness. It was treated by "burning it
          away with an electric kind of pen" - this is what the doctor
          explained. It came back again and again for years.

          Regards

          Luise

          >
          >
          > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sheri Nakken" <homeopathycures@tesco.net>
          > To: <homeopathy@homeolist.com>
          > Sent: Saturday, December 31, 2005 6:48 AM
          > Subject: [H] Why Measles Might Be Necessary (and all the childhood illnesses)
          >
          >
          >> and similar for other childhood diseases such as chickenpox
          >>
          >> Why Measles Might Be Necessary (and all the childhood illnesses)
          >>
          >> http://www.whale.to/m/measles3.html
          >>
          >> "It is well known that measles is an important development milestone in
          >> the
          >> life and maturing processes in children. Why would anybody want to stop
          >> or
          >> delay the maturation processes of children and of their immune
          >> systems?"--Viera Scheibner
          >>
          >> "In Annals of Tropical Paediatrics, [53] the following case is reported:
          >> 1984 a 5 year-old girl presented with a bad case of psoriasis. She showed
          >> large affected areas on her body and extremities, also involving to a
          >> significant degree her scalp. During the following year she was treated by
          >> Pediatricians and Dermatologists with coal tar preparations, local
          >> steroids, UV light, and dithranol wraps. Despite these therapies and two
          >> hospitalizations, the psoriasis was refractory and remained essentially
          >> unchanged until she came down with measles. As the measles rash began to
          >> spread over her skin, the psoriasis disappeared. Since then she has been
          >> free of psoriasis."--Thomas Quak,
          >>
          >> "After contracting measles and other childhood illnesses (e.g..
          >> chickenpox,
          >> scarlet fever, whooping cough, rubella, mumps and may be others), it has
          >> been widely accepted by many health practitioners, including experienced
          >> orthodox paediatricians that this is often beneficial for the general
          >> health of many children. Specifically it has been shown that children
          >> contracting measles naturally were less likely to suffer from allergic
          >> conditions such as asthma, eczema and hayfever, (Lancer June 29
          >> 1996)."---Trevor Gunn BSc
          >>
          >> "Most parents today find it quite difficult to understand why they have to
          >> have their child vaccinated against this particular disease (measles)
          >> when
          >> their mothers used to organise measles parties to ensure all the children
          >> of the family had it!" In fact a mild dose of measles stimulates the
          >> immature immune system, in the correct sequence, to develop naturally,
          >> thereby strengthening the child generally."--Christina J Head MCH Rs. Hon
          >>
          >> "Experiencing the measles actually strengthens the immune system. If
          >> measles is experienced generation after generation the disease gets weaker
          >> in its manifestation and becomes stronger in the identifying properties of
          >> the DNA/RNA chain. This passes on a permanent immunity to future
          >> generations from that particular lineage. If there is a virgin
          >> population
          >> that has never experienced the disease, then these individuals have a more
          >> likely chance of having more severe complications of that illness.
          >> Measles, along with, chickenpox, smallpox, any herpes, ringworm is a
          >> Tubercular Miasm."--Phyllis (AVN list)
          >>
          >> "the process of recovering from the natural disease also "primes" the
          >> organism nonspecifically to respond promptly and efficiently to other
          >> micro-organisms in the future. A crucial step in the maturation of a
          >> healthy immune system, the ability to mount a vigorous, acute response to
          >> infection unquestionably represents a major ingredient of optimum health
          >> and well-being in general.....................It has taken us many
          >> centuries of adaptation and "herd immunity" to convert it into an ordinary
          >> childhood disease, such that, when I first encountered it at the age of 6,
          >> nonspecific mechanisms were already in place to help me deal with it
          >> effectively. In that historical sense, the permanent immunity acquired by
          >> recovery from the natural disease represents an absolute net gain for the
          >> total health of the race as well. However the vaccines act inside the
          >> human
          >> body, true natural immunity or any other qualitative benefit cannot be
          >> ascribed to them: their effectiveness is a mere statistic, and the
          >> resulting "immunity" a narrowly defined technicality."---Richard
          >> Moskowitz,
          >> M.D.(Vaccination: A Sacrament of Modern Medicine
          >>
          >> "Relation between psoriasis and measles" (Z. Hautkr., vol. 57, no. 6,
          >> March
          >> 15, 1982, pp. 439-40 [article in German]): Psoriatics with measles in the
          >> history had a light type of psoriasis and low titers of measles
          >> antibodies;
          >> psoriatics without measles in the history, however, had severe types of
          >> psoriasis, and the titers of measles antibodies were high."
          >>
          >>
          >> **********
          >> Miasms are a complicated subject but basically are, by definition, the
          >> affects of infections and their sequels, which are collective diseases of
          >> common cause and similar symptoms. These are infections we experience or
          >> unresolved things resulting from infections in our parents or ancestors
          >> (can be inherited or acquired)
          >>
          >> >From Margaret Roy, "The Principles of Homeopathic Philosophy"

          >> (book)............
          >>
          >> "You may come across this term in some books, so a few words here are
          >> appropriate.
          >>
          >> An acute miasm ["is a disease that".....my addition....Sheri] occurs once
          >> in a lifetime. Diseases such as measles, chicken pox, mumps, rubella,
          >> whooping cough, diphtheria, polio, smallpox, etc are examples. They are
          >> almost all childhood illnesses, and that is the clue to their role.
          >>
          >> An acute miasm is as it says, an acute expression of the underlying miasm.
          >> The vital force of the child is much stronger than that of an adult, so it
          >> can attempt to throw out, through an acute illness, what an adult could
          >> not. Through the childhood illnesses, the stronger vital force of the
          >> child attempts to unburden some of the miasmic load it has inherited.
          >> Later
          >> on, polluted and devitalized by the environment, and by stress and bad
          >> habits, it cannot do this, or if it does, the childhood diseases are often
          >> more severe in the adult.
          >>
          >> So, an acute miasm is a special kind of acute disease that strikes deep
          >> enough to change the constitution, and this is why the homeopath does not
          >> believe in suppressing diseases such as mumps, chicken pox, rubella, etc."
          >>
          >> *******
          >> My comments on the above information that I teach in my homeopathy
          >> classes..........
          >>
          >> I would suggest that vaccines do not prevent diseases - they just
          >> sensitize
          >> and basically give you a chronic case of the disease so you can't get an
          >> acute one. We have traded acute illness for chronic illness. And by the
          >> time each vaccine came out the deaths had already declined greatly and in
          >> many cases deaths increased after the vaccine. So it takes a lot of
          >> looking into to see through the propaganda.
          >>
          >> So not only have children not had the chance to throw off miasmatic
          >> layers;
          >> or the chance to build their immune systems with the challenge of illness;
          >> they have had further layers of damaged piled on with all that the vaccine
          >> does and adds.
          >>
          >> Its take a little to wrap your head around this as it is totally different
          >> to anything you have probably been taught.
          >>
          >> Acute miasm and acute illness are somewhat the same thing. Only usually
          >> what we refer to as an acute miasm (in homeopathy) is something you only
          >> get once - ie. chickenpox, measles, etc.
          >>
          >> We have interrupted a process whereby chronic miasms (disturbances) were
          >> dealt with early on in life by acute miasms (illness) before and since
          >> vaccination, the child is unable to and therefore we have created
          >> generations of diseased, chronically ill humans
          >>
          >> A lot of this is theoretical - how we try to explain it from a homeopathic
          >> perspective. Acute miasms are able to help unburden the chronic miasm
          >> load...................but not all are susceptible to measles, etc
          >> .......it seems not all 'need' to get this disease to help unburden. These
          >> diseases (ie measles and all) have developed over millenia - a symbiosis?
          >>
          >> FOR THOSE WHO WANT TO DELVE DEEPER - now this will be challenging but
          >> there
          >> if you want it
          >>
          >> This is the Organon, the writings of Samuel Hahnemann, discoverer of
          >> Homeopathy - this online edition has his 5th & 6th editions.
          >> Read the 6th edition. The last one that he did. This is where we get our
          >> laws and principles from.
          >>
          >> http://www.homeoint.org/books/hahorgan/organ040.htm#P46
          >> or
          >> http://www.homeopathyhome.com/refere...n/organon.html
          >>
          >> Read Aphorisms 46 - 51
          >> About measles being able to cure other diseases.
          >>
          >> More on acute and chronic diseases (miasms)
          >>
          >> http://www.homeoint.org/books/hahorgan/organ060.htm#P72
          >> Acute & Chronic Diseases
          >> Read Aphorisms 72-81
          >>
          >>
          >> http://www.homeoint.org/books/hahorgan/organ080.htm#P80
          >> Psora & the Miasms
          >> Aphorisms 80-81
          >>
          >> http://www.homeoint.org/books/hahorg...200.htm#P204E6
          >> Aphorisms 204 - 209
          >>
          >>
          >>
          >> WE HAVE TRADED ACUTE ILLNESS FOR CHRONIC ILLNESS
          >> We are unable to throw of inherited and acquired illness (miasms) as well
          >> are other acquired and inherited disturbances (non-infectious) -
          >> collective diseases that can include physical and mental traumas, endemic
          >> nutritional deficiencies, exposure of a group to poisons and toxins &
          >> vaccines & drugs, as well as environmentally induced disorders such as the
          >> affects of living in an unhealthy climate, dead buildings, negative
          >> telluric affects, etc. (these are not miasms but are disturbances).
          >>
          >> We are not given the opportunity to throw of chronic miasms and ALSO HAVE
          >> added further disturbance with the vaccine.
          >>
          >> **********
          >> Certain children more susceptible to complications from measles so need to
          >> be aware - that is why a homeopath can be so helpful.....
          >>
          >> http://www.simillimum.com/Thelittlel...gymiasm/miasms
          >> pp.html
          >> "A constitution with the inherited TB miasm is especially susceptible to
          >> acute miasms that affect the eyes, ear, nose, throat, glands, and
          >> respiratory tract. Those with a TB constitution often experience dangerous
          >> complications to the common acute miasms of childhood, such as measles,
          >> mumps, and chickenpox.".
          >>
          >> This won't make a lot of sense to you without a deeper knowledge of
          >> homeopathy, but a homeopath can help a child with this disturbance so that
          >> they won't be susceptible to complications from these diseases and/or can
          >> help treating if a child does encounter measles, etc.
          >>
          >> Hope this helps
          >> Sheri
          >>
          >>
          >>
          >>

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          • #6
            Re: Why Measles Might Be Necessary (and all the childhoodillnesses)

            Not sure what the purpose of your post is except an opportunity for you
            to question classical homeopathy. Measles is easy to treat with
            homeopathy and it is important to keep saying that, why make it seem
            anything different, but it is always a shame that more people do not
            have access to an affordable homeopath. Joy

            http://www.homeopathicmateriamedica.com
            http://www.homeopathicmateriamedica.blogspot.com

            On 2 Jan 2006, at 17:27, Luise Kunkle wrote:

            >
            > Hi Joy,
            >>

            > 1)You and many others act as if homeopathy was 100% successful and all
            > it needed for a condition to be cured by it is its listing in the MM's
            > and a "classical" homeopath.
            >
            > 2) When I had the quite severe sequelae of measles I had no access to
            > a classical homeopath. Many people around the globe do not and/or
            > cannot afford to go to one.
            >
            > While I personally probably would no longer have a child of mine
            > vaccinated against measles, I really cannot say whether I would
            > generally stop it if I could.
            >
            > Es pecially since the children who do get an adverse reaction to the
            > vaccination may also be the children who get complications with the
            > measles.
            >
            > Regards
            >
            > Luise


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            • #7
              Re: Why Measles Might Be Necessary (and all thechildhoodillnesses)

              Very true Dr Roz and it is the lack of vitamin A that leads to the eye
              problems specifically? I have read about this connection to Vit A
              frequently. Thanks, best wishes, Joy
              http://www.homeopathicmateriamedica.com
              http://www.homeopathicmateriamedica.blogspot.com

              On 2 Jan 2006, at 23:27, Dr. J. Rozencwajg, MD, PhD, NMD. wrote:

              > Just as a comment, measles has been shown to be more aggressive and
              > damaging
              > when there is a lack of Vitamin A in the diet.
              >
              > Some studies done in Africa (I do not have the references on hand) have
              > shown a dramatic drop in complications when the children were supplied
              > with
              > Vitamin A as the sole treatment, and the course was as mild as we are
              > used
              > to see.
              >
              > Dr. J. Rozencwajg, MD, PhD, NMD.
              >
              > "The greatest enemy of any science is a closed mind".


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              • #8
                Re: Why Measles Might Be Necessary (and all thechildhoodillnesses)

                Dr. R--
                Do you know whether it matters whether Vitamin A itself is used (e.g.
                fish oil type, or ?) or whether beta-carotene works as well? One
                reason I am curious is that these days beta carotene is often used in
                preference to Vitamin A, but I have found that for myself, the fish oil
                variety is *much* more effective (I use it sporadically, for specific
                symptoms). I'm curious whether that's "just me"?
                Shannon

                On Tuesday, January 3, 2006, at 03:17 AM, Joy Lucas wrote:

                > Very true Dr Roz and it is the lack of vitamin A that leads to the eye
                > problems specifically? I have read about this connection to Vit A
                > frequently. Thanks, best wishes, Joy
                > http://www.homeopathicmateriamedica.com
                > http://www.homeopathicmateriamedica.blogspot.com
                >
                > On 2 Jan 2006, at 23:27, Dr. J. Rozencwajg, MD, PhD, NMD. wrote:
                >
                >> Just as a comment, measles has been shown to be more aggressive and
                >> damaging
                >> when there is a lack of Vitamin A in the diet.
                >>
                >> Some studies done in Africa (I do not have the references on hand)
                >> have
                >> shown a dramatic drop in complications when the children were
                >> supplied with
                >> Vitamin A as the sole treatment, and the course was as mild as we are
                >> used
                >> to see.
                >>
                >> Dr. J. Rozencwajg, MD, PhD, NMD.
                >>
                >> "The greatest enemy of any science is a closed mind".

                >
                >

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                • #9
                  Re: Why Measles Might Be Necessary (and all thechildhoodillnesses)

                  Not Dr. R, but all the evidence is showing it must be the fish oil source
                  I'll send info
                  Sheri


                  >Dr. R--
                  >Do you know whether it matters whether Vitamin A itself is used (e.g.
                  >fish oil type, or ?) or whether beta-carotene works as well? One
                  >reason I am curious is that these days beta carotene is often used in
                  >preference to Vitamin A, but I have found that for myself, the fish oil
                  >variety is *much* more effective (I use it sporadically, for specific
                  >symptoms). I'm curious whether that's "just me"?
                  >Shannon
                  >
                  >On Tuesday, January 3, 2006, at 03:17 AM, Joy Lucas wrote:
                  >
                  >> Very true Dr Roz and it is the lack of vitamin A that leads to the eye
                  >> problems specifically? I have read about this connection to Vit A
                  >> frequently. Thanks, best wishes, Joy
                  >> http://www.homeopathicmateriamedica.com
                  >> http://www.homeopathicmateriamedica.blogspot.com
                  >>
                  >> On 2 Jan 2006, at 23:27, Dr. J. Rozencwajg, MD, PhD, NMD. wrote:
                  >>
                  >>> Just as a comment, measles has been shown to be more aggressive and
                  >>> damaging
                  >>> when there is a lack of Vitamin A in the diet.
                  >>>
                  >>> Some studies done in Africa (I do not have the references on hand)
                  >>> have
                  >>> shown a dramatic drop in complications when the children were
                  >>> supplied with
                  >>> Vitamin A as the sole treatment, and the course was as mild as we are
                  >>> used
                  >>> to see.
                  >>>
                  >>> Dr. J. Rozencwajg, MD, PhD, NMD.
                  >>>
                  >>> "The greatest enemy of any science is a closed mind".

                  >>
                  >>

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                  • #10
                    Re: Why Measles Might Be Necessary (and all the childhoodillnesses)

                    Hi Joy, List,

                    On Mon, 2 Jan 2006, Joy Lucas wrote:

                    > Not sure what the purpose of your post


                    The purpose of my posts has been to show that classical homeopathy or
                    even any individualized homeopathy is not now and will not be for a
                    long time an alternative to immunizations.

                    The alternative for most people is: immunization or no protection or -
                    just possibly in the future: immunization or homeopathic prophelactic
                    or treatment in a routine manner, on the basis "this for that".


                    is except an opportunity for you to
                    > question classical homeopathy. Measles is easy to treat with homeopathy and
                    > it is important to keep saying that, why make it seem anything different,


                    on the basis of how many cases of measles that you treated do you say
                    this? Just curious where so many non-vaccinated children can be found.


                    Regards

                    Luise

                    >
                    > On 2 Jan 2006, at 17:27, Luise Kunkle wrote:
                    >
                    >>
                    >> Hi Joy,
                    >> >

                    >> 1)You and many others act as if homeopathy was 100% successful and all it
                    >> needed for a condition to be cured by it is its listing in the MM's and a
                    >> "classical" homeopath.
                    >>
                    >> 2) When I had the quite severe sequelae of measles I had no access to a
                    >> classical homeopath. Many people around the globe do not and/or cannot
                    >> afford to go to one.
                    >>
                    >> While I personally probably would no longer have a child of mine
                    >> vaccinated against measles, I really cannot say whether I would generally
                    >> stop it if I could.
                    >>
                    >> Es pecially since the children who do get an adverse reaction to the
                    >> vaccination may also be the children who get complications with the
                    >> measles.
                    >>
                    >> Regards
                    >>
                    >> Luise

                    >
                    >

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                    • #11
                      Re: Why Measles Might Be Necessary (and all thechildhoodillnesses)

                      At 09:10 PM 1/4/2006 +0100, you wrote:
                      >
                      >Hi Joy, List,
                      >
                      >On Mon, 2 Jan 2006, Joy Lucas wrote:
                      >
                      >> Not sure what the purpose of your post

                      >
                      >The purpose of my posts has been to show that classical homeopathy or
                      >even any individualized homeopathy is not now and will not be for a
                      >long time an alternative to immunizations.


                      Hardly - thousands and thousands are choosing no vaccinations - maybe
                      hundreds of thousands. I don't know exact numbers as no one does.
                      And some of those are choosing homeopathy.

                      I am the listowner of 2 email lists about vaccine dangers with nearly 2000
                      members between them and also am active on 8 or so more. And I have been
                      teaching online classes in intro to homeopathy since 2002 with hundreds of
                      students, most with children who aren't vaccinated - probably have had at
                      least 1000 students as I'm on the 23rd class now. I have been teaching
                      vaccine dangers online classes for over 2 years now - again - probably 150
                      or so students in that time - and most with unvaccinated children.

                      MORE and more parents in the US,UK, Australia and Canada are CHOOSING not
                      to vaccinate. And they have very healthy children and many have already
                      experienced those diseases vaccinated for and come through nicely without
                      any outside intervention and others have been assisted with homeopathy.

                      These children in my experience (treating them homeopathically and in
                      knowing them through the lists) are far healthier than mny vaxed children,
                      in their childhoods.

                      >
                      >The alternative for most people is: immunization or no protection or -
                      >just possibly in the future: immunization or homeopathic prophelactic
                      >or treatment in a routine manner, on the basis "this for that".


                      Immunization does NOT provide protection. That is the biggest lie that has
                      been promoted and believed by so many. There is NO immunity from
                      vaccination (that is why I & others don't call it immunization). Why do
                      you think it provides protection or immunity?

                      >>We've been through this on the lists many times.

                      And in my experience with all the numbers I refer to in my first paragraph,
                      people don't even want homeopathic prophylactics when they understand the
                      reality of the diseases and their risk of injury with them and the option
                      of homeopathy to assist them. And even those with no access to homeopathy
                      are learning on their own, or know from history, that this is not a
                      worrisome issue.
                      >
                      >
                      >is except an opportunity for you to
                      >> question classical homeopathy. Measles is easy to treat with homeopathy

                      and
                      >> it is important to keep saying that, why make it seem anything different,

                      >
                      >on the basis of how many cases of measles that you treated do you say
                      >this? Just curious where so many non-vaccinated children can be found.


                      I'm not Joy who made this statement, but I agree totally.

                      History has shown it from our homeopaths in the past.

                      History has shown most children need no intervention.

                      Deaths from measles had already declined long before any vaccine. The
                      measles-like disease appeared to be less virulent as time went out.

                      No one was vaccinated before the mid 60's for measles.

                      How on earth did the human race survive.

                      And there are large pockets of unvaccinated - Amish children in many cases
                      in the US and Steiner communities throughout the world, and other pockets
                      as well as thousands and thousands of individuals and families. Many keep
                      quiet for fear of repercussions from child protective services and
                      judgement from families, schools, friends and the establishment.


                      My mother, and RN trained in the 40's, says "for goodness sake, its only
                      measles, why do they need a vaccine". She worked in polio (what was labled
                      polio) wards and no one was ever infected from what was known as polio who
                      worked with these children (because it isn't infectious)

                      I worked in a Peds office through high school in the 60's and then nursing
                      school 1968 - 1971 and then peds in hospital from 1971 - 1974 and then
                      pediatric practice - 4 pediatricians from 1974 to 1978. NEVER did I see
                      one problem with measles-like illness before the vaccine became commonly
                      used - yes it was available but not commonly used. And I saw LOTS of
                      measles-like cases - we always brought them in the back door so they
                      wouldn't expose the children in the front. It was a common occurance and
                      mostly just for diagnosis.............they weren't that sick.

                      I remember our ped coming to our house when I had "it" and other illnesses
                      in the 50's, just to confirm the case.


                      Sounds like you have certainly bought into the fear on this one.
                      And I would suggest that maybe your view is limited to your area.
                      Sheri
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                      • #12
                        Re: Why Measles Might Be Necessary (and allthe childhoodillnesses)

                        > Luise wrote
                        >>
                        >> Hi Joy, List,
                        >>
                        >> On Mon, 2 Jan 2006, Joy Lucas wrote:
                        >>
                        >>> Not sure what the purpose of your post

                        >>
                        >> The purpose of my posts has been to show that classical homeopathy or
                        >> even any individualized homeopathy is not now and will not be for a
                        >> long time an alternative to immunizations.


                        Gosh, what kind of a mischief maker are you to announce to so many
                        people on this list that homeopathy cannot offer cure for measles -
                        whether individual cases or, if necessary in an obvious epidemic,
                        prophylactic (and it would take a lot to convince me of such an
                        epidemic).

                        I have treated lots and lots of cases of measles and many other acute
                        childhood diseases and I cannot think of a single difficult case.

                        >> The alternative for most people is: immunization or no protection or -
                        >> just possibly in the future: immunization or homeopathic prophelactic
                        >> or treatment in a routine manner, on the basis "this for that".


                        There is nothing routine about treating measles or any other childhood
                        acute disease - just take the case and prescribe on the sx. What does
                        "this for that mean". What kind of homeopathy are you rallying against
                        or maybe it is just all homeopathy.

                        Sheri's post says it more to the point. Joy



                        Comment


                        • #13
                          Re: Why Measles Might Be Necessary (and all thechildhoodillnesses)

                          Hi list,

                          I give up:-))

                          I do think, however, that SOME people on this list may have understood
                          what I wrote - it was for them that I posted, anyway.

                          Cheers as they say.

                          Luise


                          On Wed, 4 Jan 2006, Joy Lucas wrote:

                          >> Luise wrote
                          >> >
                          >> > Hi Joy, List,
                          >> >
                          >> > On Mon, 2 Jan 2006, Joy Lucas wrote:
                          >> >
                          >> > > Not sure what the purpose of your post
                          >> >
                          >> > The purpose of my posts has been to show that classical homeopathy or
                          >> > even any individualized homeopathy is not now and will not be for a
                          >> > long time an alternative to immunizations.

                          >
                          > Gosh, what kind of a mischief maker are you to announce to so many people on
                          > this list that homeopathy cannot offer cure for measles - whether individual
                          > cases or, if necessary in an obvious epidemic, prophylactic (and it would
                          > take a lot to convince me of such an epidemic).
                          >
                          > I have treated lots and lots of cases of measles and many other acute
                          > childhood diseases and I cannot think of a single difficult case.
                          >
                          >> > The alternative for most people is: immunization or no protection or -
                          >> > just possibly in the future: immunization or homeopathic prophelactic
                          >> > or treatment in a routine manner, on the basis "this for that".

                          >
                          > There is nothing routine about treating measles or any other childhood acute
                          > disease - just take the case and prescribe on the sx. What does "this for
                          > that mean". What kind of homeopathy are you rallying against or maybe it is
                          > just all homeopathy.
                          >
                          > Sheri's post says it more to the point. Joy
                          >
                          >
                          >
                          >

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                          • #14
                            reply to luise

                            Dear Luise
                            We know you are against the use of vaccines,many of your post indicate so. Comming from a homeopath we see many children/babies that have been adversly effected by the shots (in my own family,my brother did not heed my warnings regards the toxic effects of vaccines his 3 month old baby had seizures imm. following the shots!)
                            The vaccine manuf. do not and will not admit they are at fault here too much at stake,billions are made from vaccines yearly,why on earth would they admit they have killed,hurt babies/children with this toxic mixture of chemicals,in fact a new bill is being passed to stop patients from filing any more lawsuits agains vaccine manuf.
                            Immunization or no protection you say.........not so,if a child/baby/teen/adult keeps up his/her immune system you have protection.
                            To immunize is to dump toxin into a body,why dont you read about the chemicals that make up vaccines Formaldehyde and mercury are only two ,do some research.
                            www.thinktwice.com
                            www.909shot.com
                            Gina Tyler
                            "Great ideas often recieve violent opposition from mediocre minds"...................Einstein

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                            • #15
                              reply to sheri

                              Dear Sheri
                              Once again THANK YOU for your posts
                              My god it's so frustrating to speak of the dangers of vaccinations to people that do not see first hand what it can cause.
                              When you have seen firsthand the OBVIOUS horrific damage vaccines do to a baby/child its difficult to keep it to yourself. Thanks for speaking out .......

                              Gina Tyler
                              "Great ideas often recieve violent opposition from mediocre minds"...................Einstein

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