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  • #16
    9) Kasthuri-ji,

    I just spotted your post. For now the Internet address you requested.

    I had posted it on "Parenting" section, 7th February, in my post No.21) there, which already indicates that it sure was a bit difficult to locate.

    So here you are:

    " www.homeopathy-international.com "

    -> Bulletin Board.

    And if you keep in mind my little "warning" ( see the initial reply post ), it is a terrfic source of insight for sure ! Professional always and touching at times, so really enjoyable it is.

    That homoeopath was partly educated in Germany, as he writes himself in his curruculum vitae, which reminds me of another book, of which I re-read some reviews yesterday:

    At the American or British online bookseller you may look out for Dr. Wolff, who wrote a good book on dog treatment ( how fitting, since that name is an old spelling of the animal which I recall is "bheriya" in Hindi ! ), which saw several editions and was translated into English, and also one on cats. It seems to be a bit more advanced then the others, more difficult or detailed.
    So if I was to choose, I should read the western books in the following order:
    1) Don Hamilton on Cats and dogs
    2) Dr Pitcairn, Book plus Internet site ( has also some lecture papers of his in the "Talks" section )
    3) Dr Wolff's dog book
    - and / or others from the British online catalogue.

    Of Indian authors I have some idea, as far as human homoeopathy is concerned ( I do communicate regularily with one Indian Homoeopathic MD ), but not in the vet field, so I could not comment or recommend there.

    For western homoeo-books in general:
    Low prices are at
    " www.minimum.com ",
    ( I don't remember if I mentioned that before, and am in a bit of a hurry again so do not re-read my earlier posts ).
    They have a large collection of titles, which can sometimes be a bit confusing, to know what is really relevant or good and helpful for oneself.

    [ 28. April 2003, 13:30: Message edited by: panthera-non-onca ]

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    • #17
      10) (...cont....)

      'Just had another look.

      Yes, at " www.amazon.co.uk " you find that book, with keyword search "Wolff" and "dog".
      Published 1998, also in English it is a re-edition ( first was in 1984 ), has 247 pages; for 11.40 British Pounds + shipping .

      One online reviewer there commented:
      "...Concise and to the point and oh so readable.
      ( // all in apparent contrast to what that person had experienced with other books in the field before ! // )
      The descriptions are absolutely spot on and I have put it to good use in it's first week with fantastic results. ..."

      - If everyone finds it so helpful, then ...

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      • #18
        11) __Other book ideas:___

        The following ones are for quite an advanced stage, for sure, but since I do not know if then I may still be corresponding with you, I better get all information across now that comes up in my mind. So you can note it and preserve for the future, advanced studies.

        A Reference works.
        I would expect that such ones that have been written by veterinarians for use in animals will be more helpful to you. Materia Medica ( Remedy treasure ) and Repertory ( to look up symptoms and find matching remedies ).
        Just today I came accross one book "Mat. Med. in Veterinary Homoeopathy"; Volume one of it alone comprised a full 430 pages ! Unfortunately that was not in English, but it gives an idea of what sort of reference works do exist in your field. And of course some of this detail and quality would be ultimately desireable for your practice.
        I would search the British catalogue, and Indian sources for some reasonably good ones to start with, and perhaps later the largest and best ones of the field ( it can be a matter of costs, they are not going to be cheap ... ).

        B Chronic diseases.

        Depending on what you have got to treat, this often is where the highest skills are needed. So do not despair if feel you do not comprehend that complicated matter at the beginning. One should start with acute ailments, then epidemics; and finally chronic, even most difficult states. And that will need years and decades of learning, all the truely great masters did not arrive at their level of skill overnight; and if someone pretends they had a shortcut to everything I should become very suspicious ! So take the time it needs, proceed step by step... / On the other hand, what is nice is that you can progress during all your life; many homoeopaths reach their peak only at 70, some practice at 80*, a few are fit and active at 90 years ...

        So at minimum I spotted via

        -> Author search for "Don Hamilton" ( all titles seem worth reading, sometimes prices are 20% less than else where ):
        The audio tapes on miasmatic cases, that would seem highly interesting to me, at an advanced stage as I am now talking about, when you start nearing true mastery...
        ( miasmatic is a key term in Homoeopathic understanding of chronic diseases, man and beast alike ).

        From the human field, what I know t be good authors in this area, are

        > S.K. Banerjea ( 2 titles with "miasmatic ),

        > Harimohon Choudhury ( very experienced Bengali Homoeopath ), "Indications of Miasms"

        - both are in "minimum books" -

        and Ramanlal ( P.) Patel ( a master from Kottayam ) with several textbooks, and for this field "Miasmatic Repertory" seems promising ( at Jain Publishers ).

        In which way and how far one can transfer insights from these masters of human homoeopathy to the vet field, I cannot know for sure; if that works fine, they may supplement each other well and work in combination. You would have to find out. But I know for sure they are really good homoeopaths, all that I mentioned.

        [ 26. February 2003, 15:43: Message edited by: panthera-non-onca ]

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        • #19
          12) __Finish__

          Now back to the present.

          Sorry I cannot go into the pigeon matter now, or for some time to come. Because I have my head full of other topics and cases at this time, and while posting some information sources in between is not a big deal, I want to concentrate on one thing, or a few, at a time. And just now I have finished advising on a dog cancer case, and have to post some on a human scleroderma case; and otherwise concentrate on a human with Cancer in family history, where homoeopathy for prevention is essential and possibly life-saving, and where I also have to plan ahead and design the discussion thread on another forum; and the big fertility-and-pregnancy issue that now occupies most of my time.
          But if I have got some of that done, some day, I sure shall come back to the pigeons ( I recognized all the posts of yours, don't worry ), and the beasts of India in general...

          Two questions for now, so that I may know what sort of ideas may best help you:

          (1) What sort of cases and of animals are you treating
          (a) now, recently, apart from the pigeons that you already described
          (b) in your plans for the future ?

          (2) Do you have some knowledge about, or interest in other healing methods,
          apart from the "conventional" allopathic western medicine that you were apparently trained in,
          and homoeopathy which you now started to study ?

          My reason for asking is that I got an idea of what special method I could tell you about, and I think it has some Indian parallels, "to connect with", so I want to sort of "check" out if that might be something for you, before I may some day go into detail ...

          That's it for today,
          Kind Regards,
          Panthera

          [ 26. February 2003, 16:00: Message edited by: panthera-non-onca ]

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          • #20
            Hello! Panthera
            1) I don’t have any knowledge about other system of healing except allopathy. But I am having interest in local methods. I am having a book called “bazaar medicine for animals” which contains good information about how to use commonly available items [like neem, mustered, garlic etc] as medicine. (if you interested I can send a Xerox copy of the book, because I don’t know whether the original book is available in the market or not)
            2) For the last 2month I am reading more about homeopathy, as I read more I get more confusion also.
            3) My present plan, at least I must treat incurable animal diseases by homeopathy.
            4) My future plan I must treat all the animal diseases by homeopathic way.
            5) I am still much interested in homeopathic way of prophylaxis. As all know prevention is better than cure.
            Ok see u again!

            Note: I am reading all your posts in the forum and there is nothing very serious or urgent in my case. So take your own time. All your posts are helpful for me.
            kasthuri

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            • #21
              13) Thanks Kasthuri.
              ...So I know I am having at least one reader always ...

              Yes, no hurry. I shall come back to all your issues when time allows.

              / Re: __"Other forms of treatment"__:
              I have got two ideas for you.

              (1) One is some info about local veterinary practice, old indigenous tradition, in pastoralists of Rajasthan/Gujarat. It seems to have interesting parallels to aspects of Chinese and Homoeopathic Medicine, though apparently of independent origin.

              (2) The other was developed by a European Homoeopath time ago, to serve as an additional "diagnostic tool" for determining the right remedy. I recall I spotted a reference to this also in one book on "Introduction to Homoeopathy for veterinarians" at the local University Library, medical branch, where I do a lot of reading ( though I am not of the Univ staff myself ). I will have to dig that out again one day to make sure, then I can tell you more.

              So this is just some sort of "announcement in advance", to make you curious ...
              And I shall tell you in more detail when time allows.

              // - Sure, homoeopathy is a tricky thing in some way:

              (A) It is quite "catchy", i.e. once it has got hold of you, like some "benign, positive, blessed infection", it will not let go any more and occupies your thought ...

              (B) You do never stop learning, for the rest of your life. That is an experience ALL of us make, be assured of this ! And you do keep experiencing surprises, sure, nice ones and also troubling or even bad ones.

              How often have I not thought: "Well, now I seem to know homoeopathy and have understood it, or at least all the basics and foundations, only with details to be filled in as time goes by..."
              And then had to realise that there were things, and often important things, which I had not known or not ( really ) understood before...

              And I am also sure that happens to everyone, unless they have such a closed mind that they do not realize how limited their knowledge and horizon is.

              So see it as a chance, so you can make progress, when you had been forced to ask questions again, and search for answers.

              Remember Dr Hahnemann himself, the "Maha-Guru", made that experience time and again.

              He lost several of his children to diseases, and experienced the agony of not being able to help and save them with the sort of medicine he had himself been trained in. That was the major driving force behind his urgently trying to find a way of cure which "really works", he described that in one personal letter
              ( a number of his letters and unpublished manuscripts survive in one archive, as well as several hundreds of letters he received from patients; historians and practicing homoeopaths and auhors are happy about this fact and use these texts to learn from ).

              And later he had to realise that his new art, brilliant as it was in general, often failed to achieve lasting cure in chronic diseases. So he studied that particular area "for 12 years, all the time", as he wrote later, and arrived at new insights.
              And these, the homoeopathic understanding of chronic diseases, is what I consider the most brilliant and outstanding achievement of medicine ever ( at least as far as the western world is concerned ).

              And then another chapter would be Cancer treatment. In the western world it is calculated that a full third ! of the population is going to suffer from some form of Ca during their lifetime, and it is already the number two cause of death in most parts of Europe and North America.
              I know from the most popular homoeopathic Ca expert in India, and the doctor who directs the only hospital specialized in homoeopathic Ca treatment in Europe, that they both, independently, experienced this frustration.
              They had both been well trained and experienced classical homoeopaths. But Ca treatment is pretty much the most difficult thing you could get. And it needs some specialist knowledge, experience and methods to have more then sporadic success, or rather very much of these qualities.
              So they had to make very discouraging experiences, each in their own way. That they could not help many patients, even members of their own families who died, or they "messed up" cases and understood only later on "Oh if I only had made other decisions then, if I only could do that again...!" and so on.
              But the point is that they did not give up, they spend a lot of time to improve their skills, stubbornly refusing to be "defeated", they carefully studied the sources and masters' writings of homoeopathy again, in the one case, like Hahnemann's textbook on Chronic diseases ( which is so diffidult to understand ! ), very carefully , sentence by sentence, and tried how to achieve better results this way or that way; or they tried new methods, experimenting, trying to improve a bit, and then another bit, and then a further bit and so on...
              And one works in a large hospital in India, with a lot of assistants who share the work, keep detailed records, do clinical tests and examinations to monitor progress and developments etc, with support of government resources ( bless the fathers of the modern Indian state, Gandhi etc, for their support of homoeopathy ! ).
              And the other one works in a small hospital in a nice spot of landscape in Switzerland ( central Europe ), all private initiative, with a small team of homoeopathic experts, and they take a lot of time for every patient. In one interview ( I read a number of cases and articles from them in a good homoeo-medic journal ) he said that in some cases he tries to spend a full half an hour or so on just one patient EVERY day, talking with them, about their symptoms, and also about other things, their life, what dreams they had recently, in every detail, to try to understand "The Whole Person" better, and sometimes, he says, he gets an important hint, a new, but important piece of information from these talks, and then he can see the whole case in a new light, and find another remedy, and this then can help much. But such painstaking work...

              //// You see ?
              "Homoeopathy", as any "Great science and Art"
              - if you are really serious, as I get the impression you are -
              is like a vast "Ocean", and we little mortals set out in the little boats and ships of ours and try to "discover" and perhaps even "conquer" everything which exists there !
              Sure that is going to take VERY MUCH time and effort and work and teachers and resources and exchanges and experiences and joy and obstacles and sorrows and frustrations and confusions and thinking and observation and debate and experimenting and and and ...
              But what a great art is this !!!

              Kind regards,
              Panthera

              [ 28. February 2003, 11:31: Message edited by: panthera-non-onca ]

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              • #22
                14) P.S.: __Addendum__

                So take your time also. Work and study it diligently. But allow yourself the time which it needs. You do not become a great master overnight. And you will time and again have to face animals that you cannot help ( much ) or cannot save. You have to count with that. But there is a good chance you can indeed steadily improve in theory and practice. And if you yourself seek very good homoeopathic help whenever you ( or family ) should need it, and stay reasonably healthy, then you can climb your "professional peaks" at an age when most other humans get more or less bored by the inactivity and dullness of old age; but not you, you shall sit in the mid of a circle of interested and sympathic students then, who in turn shall want to learn all your great art; and you will likely have a good and rewarding life...

                >> Just, like any mountain climbing: Good effort is needed, good guidance helps a lot, but progress is step by step...

                // And thanks for understanding my limited time. In fact it is a lot easier for me to write a piece like this on general things, homoeopathy, how to learn, resources, etc., in between other case-related posts. But for a "new issue" like your birds I need to have my head free.
                Like yesterday, completely against my plans, I got caught in one forum issue and worked on one single post for no less then over four hours, without pause. And now I have on my mind a lady with cancer deaths in her family; and another lady who wrote she considered suicide because she could not bear the pain she suffered after some most brutal experience, and I thought if I could give her a new bit of ideas, and how to contact her.
                And then I am researching "homoeopathy and pregnancy", which is such a nice and charming topic ( and I need that as a "balance" after all these severe and mortal things ! ); and also I am designing another forum with an "experts' seminar" type of long-term discussion, and hundreds of posts there. And I am on one mail list with some terrific members, very good and deep reaching discussions are found there ( unfortunately not in English that one ); and I have to post some info I found for a question one very good doctor posted; because I may wish or need their assistance and insight myself some day, so it is best to introduce myself with some service I do to others...
                That is my agenda, planning and working now, as far as online activities are concerned.

                // I also spotted your private message. I shall send a quick reply to that right now, and a longer one some other day.

                // I plan to divide this thread into three seperate ones:

                (a) Some title like "Studying Homoeopathy for Veterinary practice"

                (b) "Recommended readings and ressources for vet homoeopathy"

                (c) Your original topic about homoeo-prophylaxis in general, and pigeon pox in particular.

                I am alway in favour of keeping things seperate, and all three deserve a space of their own;
                also it would make it easier to find some information again later on;
                and some other readers can profit from posts here on general issue, but may not look at them when they think it is all about pigeon pox, and that is not their particular field of interest.

                So I shall contact the forum administrator and ask about it. But apparently it has no hurry either; so we can continue now as before when we want.

                [ 28. February 2003, 12:03: Message edited by: panthera-non-onca ]

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                • #23
                  15) And another addition, this time on __Prophylaxis__

                  The excellent site which I already recommended several times has also a section on prophylaxis:

                  " www.drpitcairn.com/Talks/Alternatives.html "

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                  • #24
                    Hello Panthera,
                    Here are some substantiating points I got from the web (as per your guideline) supporting my findings.
                    1) As I said earlier I worked in the group which had previous experience of pox. Out of 15, only 10 had very mild disease but without any alteration in performance or growth. 5 came out with any disease. It may be due to the fact that all the mild cases from pox affected mother and others from non affected mother.
                    The detailed report is in the following site.
                    www.lyghtforce.com/HomeopathyOnLine/text/golden.htm

                    Supporting words form the article:
                    “My research indicates that about 10% of children who used my program reacted in some way. The majority of reactions were very mild and very brief. Of great interest were a number of comments linking disease exposure and reaction to remedies. For example, the parents of a number of children who reacted to the remedy Diphtherinum (the Diphtheria Nosode) reported having had the disease diphtheria in their childhood. The remedy had a clearing and also, most probably, a healing effect”.

                    2) Regarding the use of high potency remedy I am having supporting views from the following topic.
                    CURES OF ANIMALS WITH HIGH POTENCIES
                    from the following web site.
                    http://www.minutus.org/animals.htm
                    Supporting words from the article
                    “When I first began twenty years ago (in 1843) my experiments with the 200 potency, I limited these experiments both for these reasons (and also for others) exclusively to animals, but by the most surprising successes I soon gained the courage to transfer then also to men. The successes were of such a kind, and they still remain of such a kind, that I at this day never descend as low as the 30th potency”.
                    I also used 200 potency in my case and got the result.
                    This is my view and purely theoretical. That is animals and birds may well respond to high potency due to their strong life force. This strong life force may be due to their bodily and mentally pure position. Bodily they wouldn’t destroy their health by the way of taking unwanted things like alcohol , smoking, coffee, tea, scented items, much spicy things etc. Mentally they are defiantly in purest form and there is no explanation for this one.
                    Still there is no hurry in my case. As and when I found interesting and related things regarding my case I will add to my post. Your idea of splitting the subject mater is also sensible. You can do as you wish for the benefit of all readers.

                    Regarding Homeopathic Prophylaxis:
                    In my practice people used to ask me a question very frequently, why can’t you give a single injection that can keep the animal away from all diseases? In my experience I think it is impossible to answer in the allopathic way. But have confident that homeopathy will comfortably answer this question.
                    1) First view:
                    As per Homeopathic principle the disease is due to derangement in the vital life force. So it is very simple if we keep the vital life force intact in the living being there is no need for remedy at all. Or in another way if we can find a single constitutional remedy which can keep the vital life force of human or animal intact that will be the single remedy as “whole prophylaxis remedy” for that particular individual. So theoretically this remedy will change from individual from individual. One more point here is that the deviation of vital life force in an individual is due to “chronic disease”. So complete cure of the “chronic disease” may leave the individual in a resistant state without the need for use of prophylactic disease remedy.
                    2)2nd view:
                    By giving individualised prophylatic remedy for the individual disease by selecting the way of simmilinium , we can give protection to the particular individual aganst the particular disease.
                    This is for today.
                    With Regards,
                    Kasthuri.
                    kasthuri

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                    • #25
                      Hi Kasthuri-ji,

                      I have read your entire thread and i hope by this time you must have got some results on the Pigeon pox. I am a student of Genetics and doing some study in recessive red genes in association with some breeders in INDIA. i am based out of Delhi and in summer season this area is hightly effected by Mosquitos. I have come to know there are only sure shot remedies for Pigeon pox are
                      1). making loft Mosquitors proof. ( this is highly unlikely)
                      2). Vaccination ( this is not aviable in india and Pox onset is at around 10 days in chicks as oppose to 4-5 weeks) we can't vaccinate that early a bird, or we can?
                      3) there are remedy avaialble in Allopathic and Homeopathic but nother seems to work well as prophylaxis. I have seen your recomendations and really very interested if you can share any formula for prophylaxis and if they occur what to admister then.

                      My genetics study is taking a hit due to break in the family history due to death of few in family chain. Your help is highly appriciated

                      Thanks
                      Amit kumar

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