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  • #16
    IATROGENIC adverse effects and deaths!
    IATROGENIC= symptoms caused directly by the faulty use of allopathic conventional modern medicine!

    The CDC(website link) has NO list of Iatrogenic side effects/deaths.


    Study confirms how dangerous prescription drugs are:
    Drug side effects make 2 million sick
    Properly prescribed medicine kills 106,OOO each year
    Drugs that cause worst reactions - Heart medications. blood thinners, and chemotherapeutic agents for cancer. Most common cause of death- liver or kidney failure, heart rhythm problems, bone marrow destruction.
    More than 2 million Americans become seriously ill every year because of toxic reactions to correctly prescribed medicines taken properly, and 106.000 die from those reactions, a new study concludes. That surprisingly high number makes drug side effects at least the sixth, and perhaps even the fourth, most common cause of death in this country........................................... ...............
    "Great ideas often recieve violent opposition from mediocre minds"...................Einstein

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    • #17
      Just thought you might Want to know more about what the CDC does.............................................. ..............You posted this link N C H S - FASTATS - Leading Causes of Death

      CDC Genocidal Measles Vaccine Experiments on Minority Children Turn Deadly
      In an experiment to find out of they could give high-potency Edmonston Zagreb (EZ) measles vaccine to babies as young as four months old [completing disregarding developmental neurology and lack of myelinization in the nervous system of babies] in order to overwhelm their natural maternal antibodies and replace them with vaccine-induced antibodies, medical "researchers" at the *CDC and Johns Hopkins University injected thousands of babies in the Third World with the experimental vaccine that reportedly caused chronic immune suppression and the deaths of an unknown number of babies.

      Also, in the United States, with the help of Kaiser Permanente, more than 1500 six-month old black and Hispanic babies in inner city Los Angeles were "enrolled" in the experiment starting in June 1990. [ During the administration of president and ex-CIA director George Bush.] The study was halted in October 1991, after more than one year of genocidal activity, after repeated reports from vaccine trial sites in Africa that girl babies were dying in higher than expected numbers six months to three years after injection. [ A less-than-admirable population control effort.]
      http://www.cco.net/~trufax/vaccine/0696.html
      "Great ideas often recieve violent opposition from mediocre minds"...................Einstein

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      • #18
        Gina, I really don't expect to change your mind. You are too far gone for that. Just a couple of closing remarks:

        Drugs that cause worst reactions - Heart medications. blood thinners, and chemotherapeutic agents for cancer. Most common cause of death- liver or kidney failure, heart rhythm problems, bone marrow destruction.
        The above is good example of how you can make medicine look bad, if that's your intention:

        Take some drugs that are used for very serious indications, ascribe worst-case interpretations to them, and conviniently forget that the drugs are the alternative to dying from the disease they are prescribed for.

        Now, I know you believe you can cure heart-disease and cancer efficiently and safely with homeopathy. Unfortunately, real-life evidence doesn't back you up. If it did, I would be right there beside you fighting for it.

        Hans
        Last edited by MRC_Hans; 20th June 2008, 08:22 AM. Reason: Spelling misteaks
        You have a right to your own opinion, but not to your own facts.

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        • #19
          homeopathy is more scientific

          personally i think homeopathy is more scientific. when looking at an illness the mind and/or body produces all aspects of the symptoms are taken into account rather than looking at the symptoms and treating the symptoms seperatley ( or suppressing the symptoms). homeopathy has a strong foundation of principles which can always be relied upon. allopathy does not. the germ theory is being rapidly disproved, and allopathy even uses homeopathic principles on occasion without knowing it. for example ritalin is given for hyperactivity. allopathy recognises primary and secondary body reaction when it suits them e.g. don't drink alcohol when you are cold as it will warm you up and make you colder in the long run. however,this principle of primary and secondary reaction is fundamental in homeopathy and is an essential part of homeopathy. homeopathy is energy medicine, and this causes a problem in the allopathic world. it is a shame we do not have the instruments to measure this energy as yet.

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          • #20
            One in Nine Emergency Room Visits Caused by Pharmaceuticals

            6/24/2008 - A Vancouver, Canada study has documented that 12% of emergency room (ER) visits were the direct result of problems with a pharmaceutical drug. The length of stay for those admitted to the...

            To Hans:
            If one looks with the actual intent of learning something,then that one will be open to homeopathy,Casedatabase cure database
            1 2
            over the past 200+ yrs have proven all in question already. Homeopathy speaks for itself,it works,I mean it cures. Allopathy can only suppress/palliate-cause severe adverse reactions- but NEVER CURE ANYTHING! There is a grand difference between cure and palliation..................................
            "Great ideas often recieve violent opposition from mediocre minds"...................Einstein

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            • #21
              Originally posted by Gina View Post
              To Hans:
              If one looks with the actual intent of learning something,then that one will be open to homeopathy,Casedatabase cure database
              1 2
              over the past 200+ yrs have proven all in question already. Homeopathy speaks for itself,it works,I mean it cures.
              I will look with interest on the cure database.

              Who knows, maybe it will support your claim that homeopathy cures.

              ETA:

              Please note that the material in the data base is not meant as a recommendation of advice regarding the treatment of particular illnesses. It is not a replacement for good medical diagnosis and treatment by a licensed physician or for care by a certified health-care practitioner. Homeopathic treatment should always be pursued under the supervision of a licensed physician and a certified homeopath.
              .... It does not start too well, but, let's not be too easily discouraged .




              Gina, I started my study of homeopathy about 4 years ago. Who do you think convinced me that it doesn't work?

              Hans
              You have a right to your own opinion, but not to your own facts.

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              • #22
                Click here to read the investigation.
                The pharmaceutical industry is among the largest and most powerful lobbying interests in Washington. Our investigation suggests that their considerable investment in federal lobbying has paid off............................................... ......................
                PUSHING PERSCRIPTIONS
                Why is conventional medicine so accepted? Read the article.
                "Great ideas often recieve violent opposition from mediocre minds"...................Einstein

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                • #24
                  Dear Nancy
                  THanks for the wonderfull links! Many I have already,there are a few new ones,I will open...................
                  Why dont you post them also at
                  Homeopathy = Hpathy, Homeopathic Medicines Homeopathy Remedies, Treatments & More! discussion forum

                  see you there............................................. ...............
                  "Great ideas often recieve violent opposition from mediocre minds"...................Einstein

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                  • #25
                    Originally posted by Gina View Post
                    random copy-and-pasted list with no context

                    So if you combine, say, FACT 30 and FACT 32 you get what?
                    All these studies that prove homeopathy aren't RDBPCTs. We know that. What does this mean for FACT 30?

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                    • #26
                      From 24th February 2006,
                      moopet
                      Member


                      Quote from moopet

                      (another pathological clueless quote)



                      What's 50M of water? Water?............................................ ...................................
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                      My Reply is:
                      Annals of the New York Academy of Sciences, June 1999
                      An extensive thermodynamic study has been carried out on aqueous solutions obtained through successive dilutions and succussions of 1% in weight of some solutes up to extremely diluted solutions, (less than 1x10-5 mol kg-1) obtained via several 1/100 successive dilution processes.

                      The interaction of acids or bases with the extremely diluted solutions has been studied calorimetrically at 25C.

                      Measurements have been performed of the heats of mixing of acid or basic solutions, having different concentrations, with bidistilled water or with the extremely diluted solutions.

                      Despite the extreme dilution of the solutions, an exothermic heat of mixing in excess has been found, in about the 92% of the cases, with respect to the corresponding heat of mixing with the untreated solvent.

                      Here [it is shown] that successive dilutions and succussions may alter permanently the physical-chemical properties of the solvent water.
                      "Great ideas often recieve violent opposition from mediocre minds"...................Einstein

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                      • #27
                        Originally posted by Gina View Post
                        Annals of the New York Academy of Sciences, June 1999
                        ANNALS ONLINE -- Table of Contents (June 1999, 882)
                        Which topic is this from?

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                        • #28
                          Originally posted by Gina View Post
                          Quote from moopet

                          (another pathological clueless quote)



                          What's 50M of water? Water?............................................ ...................................
                          __________________________________________________ ________________[


                          My Reply is:
                          Annals of the New York Academy of Sciences, June 1999
                          An extensive thermodynamic study has been carried out on aqueous solutions obtained through successive dilutions and succussions of 1% in weight of some solutes up to extremely diluted solutions, (less than 1x10-5 mol kg-1) obtained via several 1/100 successive dilution processes.
                          A rather clueless answer, if you will excuse me. Moopet asked, "what is 50M of water?", and you answer something about 3C of acids and bases. What has that to do with the question?

                          However, let's nevertheless look at what you write:

                          The interaction of acids or bases with the extremely diluted solutions has been studied calorimetrically at 25C.

                          Measurements have been performed of the heats of mixing of acid or basic solutions, having different concentrations, with bidistilled water or with the extremely diluted solutions.

                          Despite the extreme dilution of the solutions, an exothermic heat of mixing in excess has been found, in about the 92% of the cases, with respect to the corresponding heat of mixing with the untreated solvent.
                          The article you refer to seems to be here:
                          ANNALS ONLINE -- Sign In Page

                          Unfortunately, I cannot access it, as access is not free.

                          However, we can see from your quote that these solutions are "less than 1x10-5 mol kg-1", which would correspond to 3C (that is 1X10-6). We also see that they could only detect anything in 92% of the cases. Since such a reaction is either there or not, we must conclude that the mentioned dilution is close to the noise-floor for the measurement method they use (otherwise they would see 100%).

                          So, bases and acids react to each other, even when diluted. What else is new?


                          Here [it is shown] that successive dilutions and succussions may alter permanently the physical-chemical properties of the solvent water.
                          No it is not shown. It is shown that basic chemistry works in dilution. I could have told you that.

                          Hans
                          Last edited by MRC_Hans; 11th August 2008, 02:56 PM. Reason: Formatting
                          You have a right to your own opinion, but not to your own facts.

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                          • #29
                            Originally posted by Dr. Nancy Malik View Post
                            Side effects of Allopathy
                            Sorry, I may have missed something, is this a new topic or is it in some way related to the OP?

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                            • #30
                              Originally posted by moopet View Post
                              So if you combine, say, FACT 30 and FACT 32 you get what?
                              All these studies that prove homeopathy aren't RDBPCTs. We know that. What does this mean for FACT 30?
                              This is a very good question and an astute observation and shows at least that you are considering the arguments if only to attempt to refute them. If I have understood the implication of your question correctly here is your answer.

                              There are several branches of homeopathic prescribing that are permissible in classical homeopathy. One of them we refer to as 'Specifics'. This means that certain remedies have shown in clinical practice to be effective in (or specific to) one particular complaint. For example, Arnica is the first remedy we think of for bruising after injury. The specific remedy won't be effective in every case but in a sufficient number of cases to justify trying it first with the intention of looking for a more individualized prescription if it does not produce the desired result.

                              When we are forced to prove our medicine's efficacy through clinical trials we are required to select one remedy and prove it can be effective in the treatment of one particular condition. The opportunity to individualize is removed so we have to use specifics. Individualization is so fundamental to the homeopathic prescription that we are crippled without it. This can't be overemphasized. In fact I believe I am right in saying that Gina would argue the use of Specifics is not true homeopathy at all for exactly this reason- there is little or no individualization.

                              Let's take an example. Say we are doing a trial for migraine headaches.

                              First we have to find look at our cured cases for people with migraine headaches. Then we look at what remedies were prescribed in these cases. We find in 100 cases we used 20 different remedies in total but 40% of them responded to the remedy Natrum Muriaticum. So we select that remedy for the trial.

                              Then we do the trial. Don't forget only Nat. Mur. is used for every patient in the trial. Let's say the results show that 35% of subjects reported a significant improvement in symptoms after taking the remedy. The trial concludes that (crippled) homeopathy has an effect above that of placebo. Great! I'm happy!!!

                              But this is less than half the story. What would happen if a skilled homeopath were then allowed to individualize the 65% of cases that reported no improvement and prescribe any remedy he or she felt was indicated? I would expect that around 80% of these remaining cases would report a significant improvement.

                              Facts 30 and 32 do appear to contradict each other. But in FACT 30 Gina is explaining that we are forced to restrict ourselves to the use of Specifics in double blind trials and in Fact 32 he emphasizes that these are not a true measure of homeopathy's effectiveness because they make no allowances for the individualization that is so crucial for a successful homeopathic prescription.
                              Last edited by Similibus; 20th August 2008, 09:50 AM. Reason: Numerical error
                              These are my personal views and not necessarily my professional views.The content is for informational purposes only and should not be construed as medical advice. ALWAYS CONSULT YOUR LOCAL PHYSICIAN.

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