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  • princysharma1990
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    I voted for Homeopathy as it is much more safer, gentle and cheaper way of healing as compared to allopathy. Though allopathic treatment gives quick result but they also have some side effects whereas there is no side effects of homeopathic medicines.

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  • Dr. Nancy Malik
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    homeopathy pinned

    Now you can pin your interest in homeopathy on e-noticeboard
    Homeopathy

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  • Dr. Nancy Malik
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    Homeopathy Awareness Week 10-16 April 2012

    Starting year 2005, the week following the birthday of Hahnemann on 10 April is celebrated as World Homeopathy Awareness Week (WHAW)

    Homeopathy Awareness Week 10-16 April – Science-based Homeopathy

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  • Dr. Nancy Malik
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    World Homeopathy Day 10 April

    Greetings to all homeopaths and patients of homeopathy spread across 7 continents – a wonderful “World Homeopathy Day” on 10 April 2012 on account of the 257th birthday (1755) of founder and father of Homeopathy Dr. Friedrich Samuel Hahnemann. Every year 10 April is celebrated all over the world as ‘World Homeopathy Day.

    World Homeopathy Day 10 April – Science-based Homeopathy

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  • MRC_Hans
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    Originally posted by Dr. Nancy Malik View Post
    Poll: Should pharmaceutical drug treatments be publicly funded by the NHS UK?
    That is what the UK government has decided.

    Millions of pounds pumped in every year but the state and level of health of a UK citizen is not improving.
    That is a lie. If efficient drugs were not available, heath levels would be far lower.

    Save Tax payers money. Don’t let it go down the drain.
    One thing is to promote non-documented drugs like homeopathy, another is to advocate taking efficiaous drugs away from people. The former is dubious, but the latter is criminal, IMHO.

    Hans

    Hans

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  • Dr. Nancy Malik
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    Should pharmaceutical drug treatments be publicly funded by the NHS UK?

    Poll: Should pharmaceutical drug treatments be publicly funded by the NHS UK?

    Millions of pounds pumped in every year but the state and level of health of a UK citizen is not improving.

    Save Tax payers money. Don’t let it go down the drain.

    Poll: Should pharmaceutical drug treatments be publicly funded by the NHS UK? – Science-based Homeopathy

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  • MRC_Hans
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    Thanks, maistromad.

    I have been debating homeopaths for a long time. Unfortunately, objective debate is rare and far apart in this realm. Nancy here, while civil and nice, is not interested in debate at all.

    Others have been accusing me of all kinds of vile motives.

    The fact is, I'm only interested in spreading the truth.

    Hans

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  • MRC_Hans
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    Originally posted by Dr. Nancy Malik View Post
    Of course our health is affected by our diet. However, as I expected, what Nancy refers to is less than objective.

    I am assuming this is directed at those who have developed this awful disease by eating the Western Diet, in other words, Type 2 diabetes. The western diet, and all that accompanies it, can be avoided.
    Unfortunately, it is not the Western diet as such that causes Diabetes II. It is a sedentary lifestyle, AND too much sugar and fat. None of this is restricted to the West, however, and we see Diabetes II on the rise in other cultures as well. While Western foods are available in China, most Chinese still prefer Chinese food, but that does not keep Diabetes II from being rampant there as well.

    Hans

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  • maistromad
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    Originally posted by Dr. Nancy Malik View Post
    MRC Hans, It's about freedom of choice not links.

    You, or for the matter of fact anyone, can choose any medicine when fall i ll
    Opinion Polls – Science-based Homeopathy

    Thanks and Regards
    Of course, but wouldn't it be nice to find out, through the scientific method, which form of medicine actually works, and is not merely a placebo? At least if you are paying a lot of money for it, and in addition you might be struck with a very serious disease which will not be affected by even the strongest placebo effect. (and bear in mind that placebo effects also occur with traditional medicine etc, but the purpose is to use medicines with an actual effect in addition to a placeboeffect).

    You cannot read supposedly 'scientific' articles posted on homeopath's own websites, that is very biased, instead look to the peer-reviewed reviews on pubmed, psychinfo, or through the Cochrane library, where they look at well conducted experiments as a whole, and the researchers behind do not have any personal interest in what the answer should turn out to be..

    I would also recommend to see what MRC Hans in this thread has linked to, he advocates the scientific method very well and has not misunderstood the principles (as some others have..)

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  • maistromad
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    MRC Hans, very true! Glad to see there are some other people here who knows the scientific principles and is interested in nothing more than the truth..

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  • Dr. Nancy Malik
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    How is your health affected by your diet?

    How is your health affected by your diet?

    How is Your Health Affected By Your Diet? – Science-based Homeopathy

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  • MRC_Hans
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    Originally posted by Dr. Nancy Malik View Post
    MRC Hans, It's about freedom of choice not links.


    Thanks and Regards
    Oh, so this is the reason you post so many links.

    Unfortunatly, science is not a question of popularity, it is a question of facts. The lay person has no way of knowing which type of medicine if useful. He/she must be able to trust the claims of various practitioners, and this is really all I ask: That all methods are required to provide the same level of evidence.

    Fair enough, right?

    Hans

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  • Dr. Nancy Malik
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    MRC Hans, It's about freedom of choice not links.

    You, or for the matter of fact anyone, can choose any medicine when fall i ll
    Opinion Polls – Science-based Homeopathy

    Thanks and Regards

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  • MRC_Hans
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    Originally posted by timstone View Post
    I think they’re both; see the definition of medicine as the science and art of healing. Allopathic and Homeopathy both cure right? Hence those two are scientific.LOL
    Whether something cures or not has nothing directly to do with science. If a herb exctract can cure a disease (as some can), then it can cure that disease, whether it has been examined scientifically or not.

    What makes a medical system scientific is its use of scientific methods to evaluate the effects of its treatments.

    For conventional medicine (that homeopaths call allopathy), scientific methods have been thorughly incorporated on all steps. A century ago, there was very little science in any medical system, some research was conducted, but it was mainly trial and error: You tried out the medicine on sick or healthy persons (often on both), observed and recorded the results, and made an evaluation of the effects.

    During the 20th century, mainstream medicine gradually incorporated the scientific method, to get away from the subjective evaluation. Also, medical research ensured a vastly increased understanding of how the body functions, disease mehanics, and how medicines influence all that.

    Today, we almost never rely on just trying out things. Instead, disease mechanisms (pathology) are carefuly studied, we then find out which substances should effect an improvement, and armed with that knowledge, we set out to obtain that substance and find a suitable way to administer it. Finally, when the medicine is being developed, we conduct objective tests to see if it worls as expected, and we try to map any side effects.

    .....

    Homeopathy was 'invented' 200 years ago, and in concordance with the methods of its time, it consisted of trial and error, and subjective evaluation. None of this has changed since. What gives homeopathy a scent of science is that it builds on a central thesis of pathology: The idea of the vital principle, theory of infinitessimals, and that like cures like.

    Unfortunately, every single premise of homeopathy has since been proved to be faulty:

    There is no such thing as the vital principle.

    Infinitessimal doses won't work; all known medicines are dose-dependent.

    Except for a few special cases, like does not cure like.

    Finally, we now know that the dilutions most used in homeopathy leave not the slightest trace of active substance in the remedy, and, in spite of desperate searching, homeopaths have not found a sensible explanation for how any medical properties could be retained in high potency remedies.

    Nancy has been spamming this thread with internet links, some of which point to experiments that appear to support homeopathy in various ways, but all of these experiments have been shown to be either faudulent, poorly designed and/or conducted, inconclusive, or, at best, impossible to reproduce.

    Hans

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  • maistromad
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    First of all, science is a METHOD (the best possible method developed by humans so far) to test if something does what it claims to do.

    Science is not connected to neither homeopathy nor allopathy, but should be used to examine if what they claim is closer to the truth or should be discarded. All medicine developed should go through thorough scientific evaluation, with RCTs (Randomized controlled trials, with blinded researches and placebo controls).

    Homeopathic medicine is considered alternative medicine, but regardless, it should go through the same scientific evaluations as other medicine. If the homeopath potion says to cure acne, ulcers, cancer etc etc this should be evaluated as all other drugs in WELL CONDUCTED scientific trials. Now, many meta analyses have been conducted to test this, and as some mentioned in this thread ; "the Lancet only used its analyses on 8 of the trials and ignored all the other ones".. well if "all the other" trials were not well conducted this is a smart thing to do! Also, just because orthodox medicine is not called alternative medicine, does not mean that a lot of that which was once alternative has never been accepted, on the contrary a lot has been accepted and is today called orthodox medicine.

    Bloodletting (which has been discarded as a common medical practice) was used for centuries, but that does not mean it was correct or by any means good! (just to use this to counter the argument that anything that has been used for ages is good).

    Also, just because something is "natural" does not mean it is healthy or does not have side effects. In addition, a lot of regular medicine is made out of natural herbs, but synthesized and filtered so the negative sideeffects can be dampened.

    Now, what do you get when you buy a homeopathic remedy? Water. Maybe with some sugar? But plain old water! Yes, they have contained some sort of herb before the herb was removed, and the water distilled so much as to be blended with water the same about of the volume of the Earth (this sounds crazy, but it is true in mathematical tearms with the C dilutions). Now, how can people use lots of money to buy plain water with a fancy name on the bottle? (of course it has a placebo effect which can be powerful on many psychological driven diseases, and this is a real effect). Well, homeopaths claim that the water will remember the molecules of the herb (or substance that was inside the water) because it is shaken in a special way.. OK, for me this sounds very comical, but still these are homeopaths own explanations. AND deserves scientifically conducted tests to see if they are efficacious. But just one question, why doesn't the water remember all the poo, pee, sewer other herbs, minerals from earthquakes under the sea etc etc, the water is as we all know a renewal source of energy, it is always there.. ?

    I am a proponent of a balanced healthy diet and lifestyle, and very interested in reading about all sorts of treatments, normal or alternative. But farmost am I interested in finding out what ACTUALLY works with good scientific evaluations, many replications and preferrably by organizations such as the Cochrane collaboration (they dont have any personal interests in either regular medicine or alternative).

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