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    I was just wandering if anyone can help me with advice of how to anti dote Rhus Tox and if you have any ideas of what acctualy hapened here.
    Was it non constitutional/wrong remedy?
    My HP prescribed Rhus Tox 200 10 drops per week for skin problem (rush between fingers) and it seems that caused more problems which I didn't have previously like
    arthritic pain in wrists(more right one)
    stomach pain
    and more rush on skin with red pimples filled with liquid which would inflame and look like chicken pox.
    After all I couldn't use my hands they were so swolen (open wounds)that I had to use steroid cream to stop inflamation of skin.
    Cream helped but now after few days I have very sore throat and nose (more left side possible Strep.inf.).
    Is it possible that someone can have Sul. for constitutional remedy if one is cold person and don't think rugs are nice but everything else match up to the smalest detail?
    Anyone with similar experience?

  • #2
    If you took more than one dose of the Rhus Tox -that is what probably caused the problem.

    The symptoms that came out- had you had any of them before in your life?

    Sulphur can be given to someone who is cold but has flushes of heat.

    There are many antidoting remedies but a cup of strong coffee may do it. Sulphur is also an antidote for some of the symptoms of Rhus Tox. Do contact your homeopath as soon as possible to discuss what has happened.
    RSHom - Registered Homeopath

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    • #3
      Hi Ricky,
      I did not have any of above symptoms.
      Skin on my fingers was bad always .I had cracked skin on fingertips and rash between middle and pointing finger but never this.
      It looked realy like chicken pox and it wasn't only on my palm but all over my hands.At the moment dry skin is peeling off and leaves little hole at the place where pimple was and than leaves red mark size 2-3mm which doesn't change colour when I press the skin.
      I have to tell you that I was drinking cofe when I was taking Rhus Tox still?!
      ( I would have about 4-5 cups a day)
      I notice that I feel very tired (more than unusual)too.
      How can someone have symptoms of Rhus.Tox if it wasn't ever exposed to poison ivy or oak?if one lived where those plants not exists (maybe it's silly question but I would like someone to explain ).

      Thanx

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      • #4
        You do not need be exposed to poison ivy to need Rhus Tox. Rhust Tox can be a good remedy to help arthritis type pains, but if the whole symptom picture fits Rhus Tox, then you would need Rhus Tox. Rhus Tox is a constitutional remedy and can be used as such and does have a mental/emotional picture too. It has the theme of stiffness running through it.

        If you are very clear that you have not had any of these symptoms before except for the peeling skin between the fingers and you have been taking a 200c with this regularity, then it is my guess that you have proved the remedy. Basically, if you have proved a remedy, all you need to do is stop taking it and the symptoms should slowly start to subside and become gradually less. Obviously you need to talk to your homeopath if this was prescribed. Perhaps this remedy was not prescribed on the totality of your symptoms?

        Also, I very much doubt that coffee would antidote a remedy, unless a patient was very sensitive indeed. As in your case, you have said that you have been drinking coffee all along anyway and it has not antidoted.

        I suggest that you should speak to your homeopath as soon as possible, but it does sound as if you may have proved the remedy.

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        • #5
          Thank you Naturalhealth.
          I'm going to visit my HP tomorrow hope she will know what to do next.

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          • #6
            You may find that your symptoms are relieved if your homeopath gives you 1 dose of Rhus Tox 6 to bring the potency down but undoubtable the problem has been caused by taking too much of the remedy. You should have been given just 1 dose and waited to gauge the reaction before repeating it.
            RSHom - Registered Homeopath

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            • #7
              This may be due to excess dose of Rhus. If Your aggravated state is improving, you can wait. If it is persisiting or aggravating, we have to antidote it by newer totality. The remedies like Anacard, Grind, Coffea,RB,Guiacum etc are capable of antidoting Rhus. But the best method is select another remedy for the present totality, if the condition is worsening. If it is towards amelioration, you can wait. As you are very sensitive, 50 millisimal in single dose is the best choice. As everybody advised, please consult your hompath.
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              • #8
                Just to let you know my HP prescribed me Nux vom. 30c once a week.
                Pimples on hands and red rush between fingers are gone due to cortisone cream.
                All other symptoms were gone before I started Nux vom.
                It looks like it was enough just to stop taking remedy (Rhus Tox).
                I'm not sure for the skin problems (used cortisone) but all new symptoms from Rhus Tox are gone.
                I hope that this new remedy (Nux vom) will help, however at this moment I can not see/feel any change.
                What makes me interested is through how many remedies we can go before I or my HP have lucky guess?

                Tania

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                • #9
                  There are two things of concern in your post Tanja:

                  1) If you're using cortisone - you are only suppressing the skin problem. If you're lucky, a homeopathically indicated remedy will bring it back out onto the skin and help resolve the problem (cure it!) instead of suppressing it. Suppression only leads to further problems. And, it interferes with homeopathic treatment.

                  Did you tell your homeopath that you used the coritisone? If not - you need too.

                  2) Nux vomica once a week? This is a bit odd. Usually it's one dose and wait. Having said that, none of us know the full details of your case. Why it was prescribed and why it was prescribed once a week...
                  "The significance of a fact is measured by the capacity of the observer."
                  Carroll Dunham

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                  • #10
                    I know that suppressing skin problems can make it worst.
                    I just couldn't bear pain, it was like having chicken pox pustule and it was stinging pain.
                    I was afraid that skin will infect/inflame and bring maybe something that I can not stop even with cortisone.
                    Yes I've told my homeopath that I used cortisone and she just wanted to know in which form (cream).
                    Last time when she prescribed Rhus Tox 200 it was once a week and now again with nux vomica once a week.
                    It could be that she try find constitutional Remedy which I've doubt it is after reading about Nux vom.
                    I have sinus polyp and sore throat offten and now started vertigo when going to sleep .
                    My opinion is that after many years of throat/sinus inflamations (left side only, tonsils removed) middle ear is starting to play around.
                    I am a cold person <from wind,cold air everything else is like described in Sul.
                    I've mentioned this to my HP she still prescribed Nux vom. I suppose she knows better, but shouldn't we know ourselves better than stranger?!
                    Does anyone knows anything about using shape of your face to match the remedy,that's what she tried to do.
                    I've never heard of it(sounds like last century).

                    Thanx

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                    • #11
                      I know that suppressing skin problems can make it worst.
                      I just couldn't bear pain, it was like having chicken pox pustule and it was stinging pain.
                      I was afraid that skin will infect/inflame and bring maybe something that I can not stop even with cortisone.
                      It's understandable you don't want to suffer any pain. However, you really need to stop suppressing the skin symptoms with cortisone --- otherwise the homeopathic treatment won't work. And your case will be severely messed up.

                      Why not ring your homeopath when the skin symptoms come out and ask her what she recommends in terms of giving you some relief?

                      I'm amazed your homeopath only wanted to know which cream and didn't advise you to stop the cream.

                      If you are suffering unbearably with the recurrence of old symptoms -- and if your homeopath knows what s/he is doing --- then s/he should be able to manage things so you aren't so miserable.

                      I have sinus polyp and sore throat offten and now started vertigo when going to sleep . My opinion is that after many years of throat/sinus inflamations (left side only, tonsils removed) middle ear is starting to play around.
                      Don't you begin to notice a pattern?
                      You used cortisone and it 'successfully' got rid of the rash/skin eruptions/symptoms. Now you develop other symptoms (polyp, sore throat, vertigo, etc)!!! Is this good??

                      My opinion is that you have caused yourself trouble by suppressing the skin symptoms.

                      Does anyone knows anything about using shape of your face to match the remedy,that's what she tried to do.
                      I've never heard of it(sounds like last century).
                      The only reliable way to find a homeopathically indicated remedy is to follow the guidelines in the Organon of Medicine, by, Samuel Hahnemann. All other methods are speculative and therefore not reliable.


                      It could be that she try find constitutional Remedy which I've doubt it is after reading about Nux vom.
                      What is it you want to know from us?

                      Don't get hung up on terms like 'constitutional remedy'. It sounds like your homeopath was trying to find the most suitable remedy for the present symptoms in your case. But, it's really difficult to draw any conclusions since we don't know your full case.

                      I'm still concerned about the homeopath prescribing a remedy to be taken once a week. As I said earlier - it's usually the case that a remedy is given and we wait to see what reaction follows before deciding what to do next.
                      "The significance of a fact is measured by the capacity of the observer."
                      Carroll Dunham

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                      • #12
                        Thanks LA,
                        I know that suppresion is bad choice,however nobody offered me anything better .
                        Cortisone cream has been prescribed for me since day 1 ("nappy rash"-nobody new what it was anyway) for ages.Does this means that I shouldn't even try to find cure in Homeopathy?
                        With all the Antibiotics/Antihistamines/Cortisone that I used for so many years(not all the time dough) maybe it is complicated and maybe it is something new.
                        When H.wrote Organon he probably wasn't thinking of so many suppresives existing today?!
                        And HP this is third one and nobody is even close with reducing not mentioning cure me of any of the sympthoms.
                        I do not expect on-line cure just opinion about things like prescribing once a week or once and wait or whatever .
                        T

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                        • #13
                          I know that suppresion is bad choice,however nobody offered me anything better .
                          Really?

                          It sounds to me that when you get the skin symptoms you simply cannot bear it - so you use cortisone to suppress it for relief.

                          Homeopathy can cure, but if a patient interferes with the treatment (cortisone is one interference) then it lessens the chances of success. And, each time you do this, you risk further damage to yourself.

                          Cortisone cream has been prescribed for me since day 1 ("nappy rash"-nobody new what it was anyway) for ages.Does this means that I shouldn't even try to find cure in Homeopathy?
                          No, of course not. But if you want homeopathy to work -- by giving you lasting results, then you must stop using cortisone and any other methods of suppressing the skin symptoms.

                          And consult with your homeopath about what to do WHEN the skin symptoms reappear so that you have a plan of action to deal with the pain/itching or whatever it is that is unbearable to you. It might be something like aqueous cream or perhaps oatmeal baths; I don't know. Or even another remedy to help your through the intense phase you seem to experience. No homeopath expects their patients to suffer unbearable pain. However if it is merely a little discomfort - and the patient understands that it will pass --- and they must be patient -- then that is a bit different. You and your homeopath will know how intense your symptoms are and the homeopath should be able to advise you what's the best course of action, if any.

                          When H.wrote Organon he probably wasn't thinking of so many suppresives existing today?!
                          There were many suppressive therapies in his day!! Oinment of sulphur, and many others -- so this isn't anything new to homeopaths! He warns about using topical applications; they hide the outward expressions of disease that we rely upon to prescribe - just to name one incidental problem of suppression.


                          And HP this is third one and nobody is even close with reducing not mentioning cure me of any of the sympthoms.
                          I'm not surprised --especially since you use cortisone every time a remedy brings out the skin symptoms. You're using two opposing therapies - one stimulates healing and the other suppresses it.

                          Hopefully you can start to learn about these kinds of things and will be better able to make informed decisions about what to do and what not to do when being treated homeopathically.

                          Best of luck to you!
                          "The significance of a fact is measured by the capacity of the observer."
                          Carroll Dunham

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                          • #14
                            I had a case many years ago with an unbearable skin rash. She had used cortizone for several months without any noticable difference. She came to me for a flare up of a completely different problem and didn't even tell me about the rash. I prescribed a rememdy based on a unique symptom having to do with the problem she came to me about. When I saw her a month later, the flare up was resolved and she mentioned how happy she was that her rash was gone, too. She had been able to stop taking the cortizone about a week after she took her remedy. The remedy was not one that I would ever have associated with a skin rash!The moral of the story is that the right remedy will work through just about anything and the right remedy may have nothing to do with the rash!
                            Shirley Reischman

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                            • #15
                              That's great Shirley, but I still wouldn't advise that it's okay. Because everyone is different and I doubt this would apply with everyone (I'm sure you'd agree).

                              If your patient used cortisone and had no noticeable difference, then that kinda shows her vitality was strong enough to keep throwing the symptoms out on the skin in spite of the cortisone. It's really bad for patients when the cortisone 'works', wouldn't you agree?
                              "The significance of a fact is measured by the capacity of the observer."
                              Carroll Dunham

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